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| Guest29. 12. 2016 16:42:58 |
ZeK, I agree.
We went to northern Špika, and we knew where to get the key in Martuljek. It's true that times are different, but that doesn't mean that the bivouac is a polygon for celebrating birthday parties and .... But,....if the object is there anyway, is it illegal to use it. The purpose is of a completely secondary nature.
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| korl29. 12. 2016 17:18:48 |
Yeah one goldy, then the caretaker Omanova said she went up to check on the two who took the key, inside there were 10 sleepless, haha
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| Guest29. 12. 2016 17:54:26 |
Ah, those sleepless ones were always the best.
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| BT8829. 12. 2016 18:50:55 |
The bivouac will be maintained by locals. Just like the ski resort. or like the fort not far away, which as we know has been in full bloom for years
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| viharnik29. 12. 2016 19:03:56 |
When someone freezes up there in winter, he'll have to thaw out by spring before going to the cafe for the bivouac keys, which he won't need anymore because he'll drink hot tea right there .
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| pika29. 12. 2016 19:53:15 |
While we're on keys. Someone's been waiting two weeks in front of the locked door of Žakljev bivouac under Triglav, where it says I'll come right away. Who to turn to? PZS? Unless frozen solid like a Siberian mammoth by now
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| turbo29. 12. 2016 20:47:47 |
On the PZS website it says:
"Criterion for bivouacs: the facility provides basic shelter to visitors. "
It doesn't say there have to be mattresses and blankets. Nor that there shouldn't be antlers on the wall. But it does say it provides basic shelter, which isn't true if the entrance is locked.
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| grega_z_brega29. 12. 2016 20:50:53 |
trade union holiday cottage then...
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| viharnik29. 12. 2016 22:14:42 |
Pointless idea with keys, if one opens the bivouac announced, some third who needs shelter and comes by chance bivouacs there overnight too.
Bivouac of open type should serve mountaineers in winter, like under Skuta, in summer it'll be sealed anyway.
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| piotr29. 12. 2016 22:27:42 |
With such promotion occupancy will be high, so
there'll be a waiting list for keys.
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| viharnik29. 12. 2016 22:43:19 |
I'll just dig an igloo in the snow, sleeping bag will keep me warm to -20 below zero
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| zippo30. 12. 2016 07:28:24 |
It'll keep you warm - in the attic maybe
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| viharnik31. 12. 2016 07:05:24 |
Everything in this world has two sides of the coin, so the current locking regime of the bivouac will contribute to better oversight of users and thus greater awareness and responsibility in handling the bivouac, or in case of damage to the facility also personal responsibility and compensation for the damage.
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| GregorC31. 12. 2016 09:22:20 |
Viharnik, that's true, but the fact is still that under this regime the one who needs the bivouac in emergency will stay outside. Meaning, in his case it doesn't matter if the bivouac wasn't there at all. Unless maybe he gets lucky and someone is exactly in the bivouac at that time and it's open.
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| Mihc00731. 12. 2016 11:18:10 |
If it was an emergency, he'd probably "unlock" it with an ice axe or hammer
Of course he'd then take responsibility and pay for the damage.
I think locking a purpose-built bivouac is misguided thinking, just my humble opinion.
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| viharnik31. 12. 2016 20:01:47 |
It's also interesting that the new bivouac is still not listed under bivouacs in the Julian Alps, which also can't be if it's the locked type.
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| grega_z_brega1. 01. 2017 01:20:42 |
Viharnik, may you hammer the remaining nails into the attic in the new year. Good luck!
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| ales281. 01. 2017 12:34:12 |
This bivouac is like from the Star Wars series
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