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| risto5. 01. 2012 23:13:16 |
Writing again what was deleted and belongs on the first page between jax and korln :
Bravo jax for
The idea "...,that we have to replace it (police)
with some kind of people's gestapo" That's what every regime wants. From here to fascism is like walking without crampons on iced Turkish gully and wondering if you slip. Even if
at the top of the gully those from Rakova jelša were grilling "burnt" ćevapčići.
Oh you devil!
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| Okmodko6. 01. 2012 00:17:35 |
Yes megalodon says it well. Nowadays it's very popular to label someone a nationalist or fascist, like someone did to me before. Although both in the past did terrible and horrific things, the one who labels someone a nationalist is a "good person" :-/ Or for example when I last listened to our former human rights ombudsman Hanžek in a show on the topic of SDS post about tracksuiters. Hanžek complained a lot about how someone can label a group of people and insult them. Harsh words about nationalism and such fell. Then he said politicians are primitives. HERE! First he complains then he starts insulting a group. Anyway... people like to insult groups or individuals if they don't like something. Few like to see the real picture. VERY obvious who steals in Iški Vintgar and why no one in Bovec. Truth is such, whether unpleasant or pleasant, hard to avoid it. Besides punishments, we could avoid thefts also with tougher upbringing in youth. And if we plan to settle people from areas with lots of crime and wars into the country, I think it's hard to avoid these things. I don't know how people don't notice this connection.
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| VanSims6. 01. 2012 13:13:54 |
@jax: Police can in no way be the authority. That the police is authority, not service to citizens or taxpayers who pay for it, is a bad deformation known only in banana republics. That people think that way means something is very wrong with them.
No, it's not about having a people's gestapo! OK, I agree, there are cavalier offenses like: wrong parking, up to e.g. 10% over limit (clearly you have to watch the road while driving not the speedometer),... Snooping on trifles or snooping just to snoop and satisfy our urges for malice towards others is really repulsive. OK, and of course we all have blood under the skin: here we do something wrong, overlook something,... we all are potential 'killers' on the road.
The other is self-defense. So reporting offenders and criminals who consciously endanger others with their actions. I mean mainly intentional offenses. Driving drunk, speeding over e.g. 30% limit, talking on mobile,... These are conscious offenses. You can't accidentally get drunk behind the wheel, speed through a village or take mobile in hand while driving,... For such, reporting or people's self-defense is completely in place. And such offenses should be equated with attempted premeditated murder!
@megalodon: regarding various guesses about nationality of burglars,... I don't care at all. Fact is they are here and we have to protect ourselves.
Of course I agree victim is never guilty. But once they do something to you, the fact you're not guilty helps nothing. Especially if they don't catch the perpetrator. And even if they do, you surely don't want various lawsuits etc. especially since compensations in our courts are meager.
Conditions are as they are. If you have no influence on them, you just have to make it so that in such conditions it's easier and better for you first, not for others, especially not for some unknown scoundrels. 
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| turbo6. 01. 2012 14:03:36 |
Common sense and comprehensive insurance 
No police, no gestapo, no fascists, no communists, no those from here no those from there, nobody can do anything against such and similar evils (break-ins, thefts, . . . .)
Only common sense, not to leave anything in the car. And comprehensive insurance, so that possible damage from break-in into the vehicle is reimbursed.
Otherwise, everyone their own way. And consequently everyone gets their own
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| stefanb6. 01. 2012 14:08:20 |
My experience with self-defense:
Years ago I returned from Triglav too early. Noticed damaged vehicles, noticed the crooks. Called the police directly. Crooks were caught.
Continuation of the story; as main witness had to drive the car to the police - seizure of traces, report, forms, identification of perpetrators etc. 2x at court hearings. Of that, first time wife, owner of the vehicle, 1x myself. Some hearings were postponed. Threats from the court with forced escort if we don't attend the hearing. Summons to the wife was written so that we didn't even know what it was about.
At the last hearing perpetrators weren't there again, of course no forced escort for them.
Conclusion was that we witnesses were instructed that the court can call us again.
No epilogue, perpetrators who damaged over 20 vehicles got away without punishment.
I learned something from this story  ,
And addition: Police handled it very effectively and professionally.
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| som696. 01. 2012 15:06:25 |
Good thing you didn't scare them when you caught them, they would sue you for fear and you won't believe it; in this case the judgment would be final immediately.
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| JusAvgustin6. 01. 2012 18:08:41 |
yes, you're completely right. lynch the bastard on the spot...
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| stefanb6. 01. 2012 21:15:58 |
When you meet these bastards I advise you not to take matters into your own hands.
If possible, retreat to safety and call the police. Based on my experience, best to use the anonymous number, but not because of the police
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| ljubitelj gora6. 01. 2012 21:48:13 |
I agree with the last comment. By nature I'm a calm person, optimistic, I want everything good, I solve problems by retreating. Also in such a case I would act prudently and turn back and call for help.
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| joža x6. 01. 2012 22:51:47 |
@ stefab: once you say calling the police was pointless, in next post though "retreat to safety and call the police". Why is that?
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| Okmodko7. 01. 2012 00:27:25 |
Under Triglav there are plenty of stones. Hide behind a tree and throw stones at villains But watch out not to hit the car
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| viharnik7. 01. 2012 11:43:18 |
With our judiciary there are only crosses and troubles for quite some time now. Better not to get under their mills and on the human side, if possible, agree with situations. I've heard that someone who had all legal basis and was innocent in the end lost in court.
Best as Turbo advised, don't leave valuables in the car, not even better hiking poles in front of hut, but carry them on the backpack. Insurance companies with their capital accumulation cover damage in case of break-in or theft of car parts.
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| stefanb7. 01. 2012 16:00:57 |
joža x, if you read it carefully, you'll already understand
"Why already".
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| Lunatic7. 01. 2012 18:04:44 |
The best is to take an ice axe with you and make order
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| B28. 01. 2012 20:54:42 |
Anonymous phone! Let's not be kids! Policeman in the center sees the number exactly and enters it into the computer, please? First questioning by phone. Name, surname etc... Well everything is true and you're on the screen forever... These are facts! What to do? Hm, if you're brave and determined enough, take things into your own hands and stay quiet... A guy who gets properly beaten by someone will record it well in memory and won't break in anymore...
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| VanSims9. 01. 2012 08:34:22 |
Well, when I reported drunks behind the wheel it was completely different. Sometimes they asked for personal data or not. But I think you don't have to tell them because there's also anonymous reporting option. And after all if you have prepaid mobile it's not so bad if they store your number in the system (they probably do anyway, even for anonymous).
So anonymous report costs nothing. You report and fulfill your duty. Through courts I probably really wouldn't drag myself. Except of course if they damaged me.
Kasko does return car damage, but probably not actual damage (money, cards, bags,...).
As for handling it yourself, be careful. You never know e.g. if the burglar you catch is alone. What if there's another pal guarding? Or a whole gang! And of course anything beyond self-defense is punishable. Regardless that people in courts in our butaleland are often punished just because they defended and saved their or neighbor's head. So intervening on your own, if you're really sure you can handle him and they won't catch you.
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| @rekar9. 01. 2012 14:32:09 |
VanSims.... well I'll explain something to you so you won't be too smart. If you reported a drunk driver behind the wheel, that's really nasty of you since you weren't threatened. But let's leave that topic, if you catch a burglar in the act, you can't even detain him or prevent him from leaving or escaping in any way, because he can sue you for depriving him of freedom. That's how our laws are, they protect scoundrels and thieves.
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| Zebdi9. 01. 2012 14:42:15 |
@rekar: of course, better to wait for the drunk driver to run over a child or, say, drive the wrong way on the highway, and only then report him, right? Obviously it's really smarter to wait for the accident than try to prevent it... VanSims, aren't you ashamed! 
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| VanSims9. 01. 2012 15:45:26 |
Well now we have an example so we don't talk nonsense: @rekar is thus a typical example of what I described in previous posts: drunks are more pitiful to him than their potential victims, acting for societal good is immoral, since police isn't omnipresent of course then everyone can do what they want.
How many people, say, saw Maček drunk in front of them on the road but didn't report him. Don't you think they are co-responsible for the tragedy that hit three young people? Or should I wait for such a drunk to threaten me?
And if people in everyday life think like you then it's no wonder that those who lead much more important things do too. Economic crime, machinations, worker exploitation and rights violation,... all allowed. God forbid someone reports and prosecutes! And that's why Slovenia is where it is. In anarchy. Everyone can do what they want!
And that's why we have such laws that protect scoundrels and thieves more. Laws are nicely adapted to the thinking of the majority. Why change them? Scoundrels and thieves are poor and we pity them right? God forbid something happens to them! They don't threaten me, right?
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