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Challenge in the mountains

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Katja6622. 02. 2013 11:06:28
ah.. military love velik nasmeh men's stuff, right jezik
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ljubitelj gora22. 02. 2013 12:47:26
@Branee go to that FB group and open your own thread there. You had the chance to join us on a group tour sometime but you always got the "excuse" that we haven't met in person yet.
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Branee22. 02. 2013 12:52:36
You mean, you wanted to tag along with me but I didn't want you, why mate.. I still have your messages if you need a memory refresh. Anyway you go hiking, I just climb. I never needed an excuse because I'm not in your club zmeden
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ljubitelj gora22. 02. 2013 12:58:20
If you have something to tell me then on ZS, if you have some story of your own then write it here.
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lynx22. 02. 2013 14:13:34
On that shallow scree on the western part of Kepa I messed around last year too. Annoying if you go through the middle.

Stupidities? Once I managed to completely untie myself from the rope fence instead of tying to the next section. Multiple times relying without checking that others have all the necessary gear too. Expecting that above 2km it's cooler during a heatwave.
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VanSims22. 02. 2013 16:02:43
As far as I can decipher LG's 'confessional' posts, which are so compressed and agglutinated, velik nasmeh we can find in them:

1. Some things and events that can quickly happen to any of us or happen to us (thank God as long as nothing worse): slip, fall, missing the path,... The thing is similar to traffic: no matter how careful you are, an accident can happen sometimes - if you're lucky, just with dented sheet metal.

2. Real stupidities that a real mountaineer must not allow himself under any circumstances. E.g. climbing the Via Italiane without self-securing - similar to driving a car without a seatbelt.

My stupidities?

One from the times when I didn't regularly go to the mountains about 10-12 years ago - maybe that can be forgiven. zadrega I was in Chamonix and went on two tours. That I went in sneakers would still be OK, there are tons of tourists on the paths (if something happened to me) and rarely anyone was really equipped properly. The tours were also short and undemanding.

What I felt very painfully (burning actually) was neglecting protection against sun rays. The first day I applied cream to my face, the second day I forgot. Just before the cable car that took me to the starting point (for Lac Blanc) I remembered: oh, I didn't apply cream. Ah, I thought, what am I going to do, walk back to the car now.

Well, it badly sunburned my face that day! I practically couldn't sleep at night. It burned severely for another 2 days, the third day it was somewhat bearable.

Since then I always apply cream. Maybe now that I regularly go to the mountains, it wouldn't sunburn me so badly if I forgot sometime, as the skin is already accustomed, but still: the experience was very scorching! mežikanje
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dprapr22. 02. 2013 17:20:42
The fact is that practically every one of us has had some unpleasant experience in the mountains. If we can still write about it here, it probably turned out well at least for us. But it's impossible to expect that nothing will happen with regular going to the mountains. Even the most experienced and trained have such adventures behind them. Of course, some openly talk about them and want to warn others with that, others wisely keep quiet, saying that it doesn't happen to me.
Looking back to the past when I more or less frequently hiked or climbed in the mountains, the most critical were those first teenage years when we started going to the mountains without supervision (guides). In many places we didn't use gear because we simply couldn't afford it. The desire for ascents was too great to deny them for that reason. We traveled to the hills by bus and there was always a long approach waiting for us. Drink wasn't a problem because you had nowhere to store it. When we "discovered" that "out there" they sell leather canteens, that problem was solved. But we certainly couldn't afford to carry more than a liter or a liter and a half of drink with us. And even that drink we shared because not everyone had it with them. On many ascents I mainly remember being thirsty.
Even now sometimes I think how recklessly we ascended steep snowfields without ice axes (e.g. Jalovec couloir) or slid in Adidas shoes on them. There was no talk of protection on demanding paths. And the fixed ropes weren't as tight and arranged as they are now. Not to mention not wearing a helmet, because that would have been a shame then. Helmets were only for alpinists back then. Several times I was lucky that a stone missed my hard head. They say luck loves the brave - I'd say also the ignorant and stupid. Anyway, over long years many things can happen, whether we admit it or not.
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ljubitelj gora22. 02. 2013 22:50:50
@VanSims: It wasn't stupidity, it would be if I knew the path, but I kind of misjudged, thinking it wouldn't be hard. One day before, I went with someone on Via della Vita and crossed all Poncas and descended still on the ferrata from High Ponca; it was a challenge. If I was able the previous day to cross all those Poncas, then this ferrata on Mangart also went fine. That first part wasn't so serious yet, first over one hole, then right over an easy jump. There I met the first hikers and they asked me if I wasn't scared at all, I went on. But the path became increasingly demanding, especially that last part of the path when the path becomes completely airy, brackets and vertical ascent there I was really quite scared, but I couldn't go back, and ahead it wasn't far. What looks from the other hikers wereeekeekeek. But I think I at least set a record in speed ascent over this ferrata, because with gear some were only about at 2/3 of the path when I watched them from the edge down, and all had started before me.
A few more sentences for my first ascent of Triglav in 2010. It went without major problems, started from Krma past Planika, at Planika I looked up astonished at how hikers were ascending, I was a bit scared, but the others drove away my fear and gave me additional will to reach the top of Triglav. In the column I finally reached the summit, hurray, finally, and so I asked the others, now I succeeded in doing it solo, the return was supposed to be past Planika, but I went towards Kredarica. Some Croatian hikers went before me and some behind me, there I was really quite scared, no wonder the path is marked as very demanding. But the other people present gave me some will, assurance that together we overcome this descent, and we succeeded. Finally I arrived at Kredarica, first time there in 2010. Only the descent to Krma awaited me and so I finished that tour without major problems, all happy I told my parents at home that I had been to Triglav. If I think of Triglav today, I'd rather go to the summit at night to observe sunrises. I was on the summit 8x, but I also hiked other hills.
A bit about last year's ascent to Kukova špica and Škrnatarica sometime at the end of March. On Facebook we arranged to go together to Kukova špica. There was a set date, time, starting point and so 19 hikers gathered at the starting point. I was more in the background, it was dark, the path goes a bit there a bit here, mainly zigzag, I preferred taking shortcuts. Higher up I slowly overtook everyone, waited for them a bit and didn't wait for all, decided to continue to the summit. At the summit we rested, then arranged who goes to Škrnatarica, not everyone was for the action but still quite a few of us decided for the harder summit. Gully, chimney III that's what awaited us, the others descend lower, where they put on crampons again (before we had them for crossing the snowfield), put on harness, but I went directly to the gully and then up to the saddle. When the others arrived, the first one climbed up to belay the others, I followed him without belay, if I had fallen I would have been done for. I climbed that, the others were belayed. Back there was a need for rappel with rope and reverso, but I totally botched the descent, had the least experience for descending. Before us there was only the descent to the valley. Why I wrote this, because when we arrange group tours the rules are completely different, don't do stupid things, don't overtake, listen to others and learn something from them, understand them and pay attention to them, what they say counts, never do your own thing and, if you're not sure about the ascent, wait lower, but damn it I went when it suited me and that was a mistake. You go alone to the mountains and go when it suits you. Last year we went to Veliki Oltar and we went as one goes together to the mountains.
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SunBurned22. 02. 2013 23:21:21
Triglav is obviously a turning point for many, although sometimes belittled as if it's not a serious ascent at all.

Vertigo crippled me for quite a few years, so I progressed very slowly, and I also delayed Triglav for a long time. But I can say that I "cured" it exactly on the section Mali Triglav-Kredarica.

Uphill I had company and didn't even notice how deep the views are in places. Downhill there was no one anywhere, some mix of rain, ice, and slush was falling and in that I reached the steepest, almost vertical part (back then there were only pitons there, maybe different now). Fear slowed me so much that I actually couldn't position myself for the first piton and just crouched there. While climbing down I kept arguing with myself, so it was actually convenient that there were no people nearbyzadrega

Since that descent I don't remember having fear of depths on any section anywhere in the mountains. And for example I climbed the Prisank ridge and Jalovec ridge, scrambling on the Škrlatica wall and its ridge is also quite a mouthful for many. Of course I know there are much worse and steeper ascents than these, but for now they fully suffice for me.
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SunBurned22. 02. 2013 23:24:57
Maybe as encouragement to someone that vertigo can also be overcome with gradualness and mileage. I myself didn't believe it was possible; especially when I turned around at such easy places because of vertigo, better not talk about it...zadrega
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Chico22. 02. 2013 23:47:22
LG, in all this it's good that you have quite a few first ascents velik nasmeh
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SunBurned23. 02. 2013 00:02:06
Chico, we all have that!cool

(first ascent a.k.a. "sh*t, where did I get into now??!?")
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korl23. 02. 2013 09:42:34
Of course you completely missed with the gully to Škrnatarica with III, do you even know what climbing III is compared to equipped via ferrata? Of course not. In that gully there are just three two-meter high jumps where you use hands
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vrabec23. 02. 2013 09:47:10
LG, with topic "Challenge in the mountains" you're challenging patience of true mountain lovers. Your participation on hribi.net has been problematic from the start. You should realize that a bit. Control yourself.
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panda23. 02. 2013 10:04:53
Regarding Triglav conquered 2010; if you had so much experience before as listed, you shouldn't have had so many problems; if you gathered them after Triglav (all listed), I have to tell you you're express. nasmeh
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ljubitelj gora23. 02. 2013 10:05:01
@vrabec: F*ck, some will hide their stories even more now so they want to become real mountaineers, experienced hikers or even alpinists depending on how much will, experience, interest they have. I've already gotten PMs and emails asking if I would share my stories, but in the past I definitely wasn't up for action.
The jump to Škrnatarica looks like this:

Škrnatarica, take a look at that jump on Google.1
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ljubitelj gora23. 02. 2013 10:10:17
@panda: It was the first most demanding trip in life and entry into the world of very demanding marked paths.
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vrabec23. 02. 2013 10:15:08
LG, don't be so stubborn, think a little.
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korl23. 02. 2013 10:52:22
I'd like to see someone confirm that you were even at the top of Škrnatarica; if there were half a bus of you, you have lots of friends in that hiking team from FB. Don't tell us to go check the jump on Google ourselves.

@primoza, you're partially right. It was about the gully, LG was talking about the gully. Those who were there know that the logbook (at least until recently) was at the top of the gully. From it to the summit is really 5 m III. There's also a left bypass, which is easier than the original approach.
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viharnik23. 02. 2013 11:01:28
Korl, LG was at the top of Škrnatarica. Jus told memežikanje.
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