Cyclists in the mountains
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| tine.sl2. 03. 2013 20:43:16 |
By the way I rode on the forest road that hikers also use to ascend to Iztokova hut below Golaki with their cars, but you keep babbling because in your narrow-mindedness you probably don't even know where that is.
You're probably one of those annoyed by everything except themselves.
Yes I'm also a hiker and collaborate multiple times with other markacists, and I know how various know-it-alls who have mouths full of what we are and what we've done and how it should be, but when there's work to do nobody's around. That's why huts are full of various convalescents who come there for beer and smart talk
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| tine.sl2. 03. 2013 21:20:52 |
Tinky, you know that sign you attached means nothing or litters nature. You should know what the official prohibition sign is if you already posted the picture. The official sign was published in the official gazette of RS and is the official sign of the mountaineering association.
Inform yourself a bit.
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| tinky3. 03. 2013 05:45:58 |
tine.sl That sign is on the Austrian side
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| tine.sl3. 03. 2013 08:49:05 |
I attached the valid sign to your upper post.
It would be nice if we followed the Austrians in many things. There the regulations and laws make sense and that's why they follow them. Here anyone who has 2 minutes babbles and lectures and even puts up various signs for prohibitions as if everything is theirs. That's why they chase backcountry skiers on ski slopes here, in Austria they have to let them because it says so and with a bike you can ride everywhere except where marked. Marked according to regulations. Not like here where you see hand-scribbled signs and even real artistic creations prohibiting something everywhere to someone.
I say again. There's enough space for all and nature is for everyone and all activities, just a bit of tolerance is needed not that we're each in our trenches and everyone advocates their own activity as the only correct one.
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| GregorC3. 03. 2013 16:47:31 |
I think there are also many mountain bikers among the path markers who help maintain the trails, so this accusation is completely unfounded (one of many). As for Krampturc, those three got more media exposure and showed that cyclists care about trails too. But there are many every year that just come and do it without fanfare.
That cyclists plow and destroy trails is one of the biggest pearls. If they were as attentive to damage done by hikers as they are to practically every bike track from a cyclist, opponents of cyclists would probably shut up soon.
I also say there's enough space for all, just less intolerance on both sides needed.
Fact is, the cyclist must realize he's a "guest" on the hiking trail and pedestrians have priority. Also important is choosing destinations based on factors (equipment, knowledge, trail busyness...). But that last ultimately applies to hikers too.
Lots of hiking AND cycling pleasures in mountains and hills. And good mood will make it
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| VanSims3. 03. 2013 17:32:19 |
GregorC says: "Fact is, the cyclist must realize he's a guest on the hiking trail and pedestrians have priority."
Well, now we're at the core. After all, it really doesn't bother me if cyclists ride on hiking trails whether allowed or not (like it doesn't bother me if a dog is leashed or not if it doesn't harass others).
But then they should really be considerate to hikers. If e.g. speeding downhill don't ring like move aside, I'm coming!, but stop, pass nicely and then speed on.
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| tine.sl3. 03. 2013 22:58:18 |
Watch where you ride and who you meet. The next guy might be aggressive, a complaint according to the law is not possible, because you are breaking the law.
Actually that sentence from julijus made me angry, or rather sad. The guy would beat me even though he doesn't know me. I'd love to meet him
And Van Sims me and my buddies have hiked and biked a good part of Dolomites and Karnians and Tyrol and I tell you it's not like you think. We glare at each other but here unfortunately mostly because of such intolerant types.
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| joža x5. 03. 2013 17:49:58 |
Seems Van Sims has "switched from dogs" to mountain bike-god help us! Anyway dear PEOPLE once the trail is made the damage to nature is done and it doesn't matter if you bike or walk on it. Space enough for all.
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| slamca5. 03. 2013 20:36:16 |
I don't know if I missed it or nobody mentioned shortcuts. Personally mountain bikers don't bother me, but various shortcuts do. Or maybe cyclists make them, or did WE ALMIGHTY hikers, alpinists pull them...? That's a question in my mind and it'd be smart to say something about it.
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| BorisM6. 03. 2013 06:51:30 |
Hikers know very well how to make shortcuts themselves. Unfortunately there are also cyclists who can't make turns and take shortcuts.
I deal with them by placing branches on the shortcut.
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| GregorC6. 03. 2013 09:40:33 |
Absolutely agree that cyclists make shortcuts too, but I'm sure hikers take way more. Especially where there are sharp turns and the trail zigzags, sooner or later a straight track appears, mostly made on foot, especially downhill.
Similar with trails, especially popular easy ones. Instead of one trodden path a real labyrinth slowly forms. And we all know on such spots way more visitors on foot than by bike.
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| lynx6. 03. 2013 11:42:26 |
Could someone explain the argument that an average mountain biker impacts the trail less than an average mountaineer? Seems totally unintuitive to me because they have higher specific pressure.
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| tine.sl6. 03. 2013 16:57:53 |
I'm really curious if we're talking trails or marked hiking trails. I think big difference between them. At least where I ride mostly there are 3 hiking trails and I'm not on them, but if some smartass starts nagging on some other trail, of which there are tons, then that's different story.
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| viharnik6. 03. 2013 19:30:06 |
It is known that animal hooves and hikers' feet cause more damage to trails regarding soil erosion than the track of a mountain bike .
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| viharnik6. 03. 2013 20:02:52 |
Of course, races are something completely different, there it's about time and full power.
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| anze r6. 03. 2013 20:22:30 |
Yes, even the almighty mountaineers and hikers are not without sin.
http://www.gore-ljudje.net/novosti/34601/
More pronounced problems appear with increased frequency of visits. It applies to all mountain visitors.
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| lynx6. 03. 2013 23:33:59 |
tol, unfortunately the article doesn't offer new information, although it's relatively well written. More questions than answers.
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| tine.sl7. 03. 2013 08:24:40 |
In January we held the first enduro race this year in SLO, that's a new discipline in mountain biking. Unfortunately in illegal form, because you can't do it legally and it was hidden as a sign of protest.
On a very frequented trail, a whole large group of cyclists trained for a whole week, and not amateurs, and on Saturday we held the race. Despite all that, no special negative changes were noticeable on the trail.
https://plus.google.com/photos/110184246016943941063/albums/5829956938429491857?banner=pwa
That about who destroys trails more is pure political demagogy. Cyclists are a nuisance to hikers, they and we to hunters. In public opinion, the one with more lobbyists in high positions wins. And that's hunters.
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| tol7. 03. 2013 10:31:30 |
Well, the first one wasn't exactly 
In dry conditions, there are no such visible consequences of "trail use"...
problems are in wet and muddy conditions, where pedestrian/cyclist leaves damage on the trail...
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