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| urbancek1. 12. 2011 14:02:32 |
...if the terrain is flat you can have "those" crampons... otherwise as said above, those two don't go together!
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| JusAvgustin1. 12. 2011 14:33:35 |
even God can't help anymore...
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| skalaš701. 12. 2011 14:46:28 |
I completely agree with JusAvgustin's statement...
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| ljubitelj gora1. 12. 2011 15:23:59 |
Clarify which statement you disagree with, because I summarized this from a video that the army made/recorded and the instructor clearly says that crampons and poles don't go together.
With crampons you learn on more flat surfaces.
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| IgorZlodej1. 12. 2011 15:49:57 |
Regarding the mentioned equipment, it is true that crampons (12 points), ice axe and helmet really go together, especially on demanding winter ascents and descents. The avalanche trio will also have to become mandatory equipment one day. I know the mentioned trio. Before descending to Krma they just wanted to test the rented crampons, which most had on their feet for the first time. They walked a bit around Kredarica, then went towards the valley. I see nothing controversial in that. Most did the ascent to Kredarica and descent in those days without crampons, because they actually weren't needed. They didn't expose themselves to slopes, so harsh criticisms are completely unnecessary. Poles of course can't replace the ice axe, but hand on heart we all sometimes use crampons and poles in such a combination, although we otherwise advise differently. The ice axe as such is basically not meant for support, but for assistance in progressing and for belaying, and stopping in case of a slip. The latter must of course be learned and trained in all possible combinations that can hit you. For the mentioned trio I dare say they are responsible mountaineers, eager for experiences and therefore I am convinced they will do everything to equip themselves properly next time, and gather experiences on such ascents that match them and under the supervision of experienced ones.
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| urbancek1. 12. 2011 17:51:28 |
Well, we've sort of said that already...
Otherwise quite a few of you could pick up some textbook to start with, beginning with Mountaineering School.
@mountain lover: yes you said everything right, textbook-style
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| IgorZlodej7. 12. 2011 10:45:53 |
Definitely recommend new crampons with platforms, the thing works, but still you have to be careful because walking with crampons is never completely carefree. Snowballing has already taken many to their death.
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| Marky12. 12. 2011 09:47:13 |
Tell me something else please.. what do you usually have between the base layer and the jacket? Some cotton t-shirt or something woolen, or something completely xy..
Thanks 
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| novinsekp12. 12. 2011 10:58:06 |
Marky, hi.
With me it's like this (in winter conditions):
1. layer: sports base layer (short or long sleeve)
2. layer: thin thermal fleece or breathable t-shirt
3. layer: thicker thermal fleece (but it has to be really cold. Mostly it stays in the backpack or I put it on at the top)
4. layer: windbreaker
It's always smart to have an extra piece in the backpack and then adapt to the temperatures (undress or dress as needed). best regards.
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| kolobar12. 12. 2011 11:47:58 |
In principle, between technical underwear (base layer) and windbreaker (protective layer) belongs the so-called thermal layer. While the base layer - underwear - wicks moisture away from the body, and the protective layer protects us from external annoyances (wind, precipitation), neither retains heat or warms the body. The windbreaker effectively blocks wind, but due to low external temperature, which wind also helps to lower, it cools, and thus despite wind protection we get hypothermic. Underwear gets damp from sweating, and moisture cools us without thermal protection as well. The intermediate thermal layer prevents body cooling. The best as thermal layer are fleeces of various thicknesses - as needed, without windproof membranes, which breathe better than wind-resistant fleeces. Here I don't mean cheap plastics, but fleeces from quality materials like e.g. Polartec. Windproof clothing like fleeces with Windbloc membrane, Windstopper or softshells are mainly meant as outerwear, instead of windbreaker. They "breathe" better than windbreakers and also insulate, but perform worse (or not at all) when it starts raining.
In practice, when it comes to keeping warm, of course anything can end up under the windbreaker...
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| JusAvgustin12. 12. 2011 14:41:57 |
Golden rule: better too much than too little, speaking from my own experience... doing it like an idiot is something else...
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| Marky12. 12. 2011 22:39:07 |
Really friendly of you for these answers that always help me again. I'm glad that there are such users on the forum.
Thanks..
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| Zebdi15. 12. 2011 15:35:34 |
I like powerstretch precisely because it's snug and stretchy and therefore consequently hinders me less. With the combination snug Craft shirt + powerstretch + jacket I haven't noticed any layer bunching yet, but it's true that I wear such a combination only in very cold weather
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| viharnik15. 12. 2011 18:12:57 |
From my experiences wearing fleece 100 and power stretch jacket it showed that the latter is much snugger, so it wicks sweat well to the first layer, is warmer, stretchy and doesn't hinder, and also has the outer part finely finished with polyamide, which somewhat protects from wind if worn alone and also doesn't hinder pairing with the third layer Polartec fleece 200, it's also good under Gore-Tex jacket at moderate low temperatures in winter. Mammut Aconcagua is an excellent jacket, but not everything is top from this company, well pants are also first-class, bad is that Mammut now removes Schoeller and Soft Tech from the program and replaces many of their polyamide materials, which are less comfortable and less insulating and less stretchy.
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| Zebdi15. 12. 2011 22:16:32 |
Hehe, viharnik, I also have Mammut Aconcagua. Really not cheap, but I wouldn't trade it. Now even thinking of getting Aconcagua puli
MajaO, if it's really cold, anyway we'll see you have only one layer  Otherwise the thing is so stretchy, I doubt it'd bother you at all. Go to Igluj once, try it. Highly recommend if not too expensive for you...
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| Zebdi15. 12. 2011 22:46:36 |
No - Aconcagua has a zipper lined with fleece, so it doesn't touch the skin. Otherwise, it would probably bother me if the zipper scratched my neck.
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| Zebdi15. 12. 2011 23:12:54 |
Oh yes, women's Aconcagua exists - but Igluj folks probably think it's unnecessary to order it. While Terra had the distribution, no such problems.
http://www.mammut.ch/en/productDetail/101004591_v_3204_M/Aconcagua+Jacket+Women.html
Otherwise, it's definitely worth rethinking what you buy. Try several models and see what fits. After all, you're buying for the long term, we're not talking about five euros - if spending ~100 eur on fleece, it's good to pick one that fits
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| Zebdi15. 12. 2011 23:32:38 |
You won't believe it, there's also women's Aconcagua with a hood
Otherwise, no panic, just ask. For the base layer, I wear a Craft shirt that I tuck into my pants - due to the long cut, it has never come out. When I say long cut, I mean really long - the back is so extended that it goes over the butt Aconcagua is also so long that the backpack doesn't lift it, and snug enough so no wind blows underneath. So no - nothing blows If you think about it - if the wind is strong, you need a shell that you can cinch at the waist and voilà - kidneys are warm
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| matejn15. 12. 2011 23:42:34 |
It seems to me or I'm sure I saw the women's Aconcagua hoody model in Igluj (BTC). But this Power Stretch Pro material is a new thing with much improved properties compared to regular Power Stretch.
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| Marky16. 12. 2011 08:06:31 |
A few days ago I bought Warmpeace-Polartec Power Stretch "jopič" in Kibuba and tried it yesterday night and today morning. Under it I put the base layer short Seamless Minus shirt and on top only this "jopič" and went out into the cold (around 0 degrees); today a walk with it. I can say it didn't make me cold at all, on the contrary, it was really warm. For the weekend I'll see how it is in the mountains. Currently, excellent purchase and I recommend it
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