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| legenda13. 08. 2011 14:14:06 |
Thanks B2!
I stick to principle of gradualness, not so much difficulty as length of path. Longer the tour more motivation needed. But with both, also younger, climbed quite some peaks, even two-thousanders. Of course responsibility much bigger than taking own kids on tour.
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| JusAvgustin9. 10. 2011 18:23:28 |
cool, obviously they are very lucky to have such a "dad"
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| pohodnik119. 10. 2011 18:49:57 |
Yeah, no wonder things pile up slowly if there are too many
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| CarpeDiem2479. 10. 2011 19:14:41 |
@Primoza, I'd just ask what's the point that with every feat where kids are involved you give a comment on how the kids rated it? To me such commenting is a bit funny, but at the same time such comment can mislead some hiker (who isn't almighty) and think if it's "child's play easy" for kids then anyone can do it. Namely (objectively) Gradiška hike isn't for every "city slicker." That's my opinion, no offense! 
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| pohodnik119. 10. 2011 19:49:17 |
CarpeDiem247 ... I fully agree with you... I believe kids rate every hike in light of dad's expectations... just so the rating pleases dad.. maybe roughly said but parents influence rating and kids know when parents will be happy...
As for boasting it means.. as I read.. 7yo used safety kit... 10yo obviously NOT... dad is adult though... well I won't comment more...
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| ljubitelj gora9. 10. 2011 20:12:41 |
Many parents are against you @primoza because you "drag" such young kids up mountains at home but look how many kids today are "shamelessly" overweight and parents don't care, to you @primoza I can just shake hand and wish you lots of luck and that every tour of yours is safely done.
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| pohodnik119. 10. 2011 20:25:11 |
primoza... I believe you're a proud "dad" congrats to the girl! Just because of that you should especially realize that you can't label her ratings of hikes by her words how easy they are. This portal is read by various people by ability and experience and you mislead them with your kids' ratings. So think what you write....
As for climbing you never know who is in front of you so underestimating is the worst thing people can do ...
And where did she climb 7a which route and when?
thanks for answer!
And to you no offense!
You can send me PM so we don't burden others!
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| pohodnik119. 10. 2011 20:59:34 |
I see I obviously won't get an answer... doesn't matter good luck... regards
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| VanSims9. 10. 2011 21:13:07 |
Ljubitelj gora is right, and I also think that if they respect all safety rules especially regarding kids, there's no safety problem. Anyway, parents are there without whom kids couldn't do such hikes on their own let alone boast it was 'easy'.
As for others reading his posts, I don't worry much that 'easy' would mislead someone. A somewhat smart person won't choose a hike just based on opinion of one or two kids, please. There are of course less smart ones, not to say worse, but those already do other stupidities in mountains for which responsibility is still on us taxpayers until mountain rescue law changes when everyone is responsible only for themselves.
But something else catches my eye. Always mentioning and showing kids. If you check 'primoza' profile you'll see almost only his kids on pics. No landscapes, impressions, other people. This is in my opinion that parental exhibitionism: look what my kid can do!
Nothing wrong with that as long as it doesn't grow into fanaticism. Which starts when you force kid with something even if it starts to scare the kid. How it is with 'primoza' I don't know. We can hope it's within limits where kids still enjoy not that they suffer so parents can boast!
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| Enka9. 10. 2011 23:52:08 |
Here we are different again. I like that primoza always photographs the kid because that way he photographs the path too and I get a nice idea of those paths. Much better than viewing summit views spring flowers etc. (to be clear I too - since I hike mostly easy paths - post mostly panoramas and path snapshots and nothing wrong with that just not much help to anyone ).
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| Irina10. 10. 2011 02:15:20 |
Interesting debate...but everything is welcome to strengthen one's "right".
Who photographs what and posts on web pages I don't really care if photo is nice or interesting I rate it if not I move on.
But I think if the girl really climbs 7a onward proud dad would have posted it on forum long ago...but no answer let alone photo. He turned it around and asked the asker about his ascents.
By the way no one on this web rates climbed routes so nonchalantly even though among us are experienced mountaineers alpinists rescuers.... but all somehow choose words.
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| urbancek10. 10. 2011 08:05:35 |
I was just waiting for the others to tell you that this writing has no point. And look at that, it really happened...
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| Zebdi10. 10. 2011 08:32:43 |
What does 7a mean for a ten-year-old? Probably that she could compete in the national cup...
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| Irina10. 10. 2011 14:38:07 |
Look, look... the portal is not sport climbing and that's why we're deprived of everything; both route names and photos. Also the direction where one could see these achievements ..... remained unmarked off-trail.
@primoza, everyone has formed their own opinion .... and a bitter aftertaste will remain, completely unnecessarily.
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| JusAvgustin10. 10. 2011 14:51:12 |
on off-trail terrain, searching for passages is the most fun thing...
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| TheClimberr10. 10. 2011 15:01:58 |
@primoza, if the ten-year-old has really climbed 7a, she's probably quite capable of going far in sport climbing, so just enroll her in a sport climbing school where she can build on her knowledge.
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| ŠpRo2910. 10. 2011 16:05:21 |
Ha, how sad this forum is. When there's finally a "dad" who offers his daughter and son much more than a shopping mall visit, a flood of various words pours down... Anyway, kudos
We don't know Primož and his family with his wife. But we had a really interesting experience after our hike with our then 7-month-old to Češka koča, when we stopped at a tavern for pizza.
At the next table, a dad and two kids sat down. Quite lively. Sorry but they were so interesting that I/ we couldn't help listening to them. Their conversation was mostly mountaineering. About suitable new shoes, ascent speed, difficulty and something that was especially interesting to me, also about plants and such. You won't believe it, but to me personally the conversation seemed incredibly adult. And I remembered it especially because of that. And also that they are still completely normal kids. What they ordered to eat after such a tour is totally kid stuff. The youngest pancakes, the daughter fries and ice cream...
That very evening we check the forum and notice pictures of exactly these two kids, how they were that day on Kočna and Grintavec. Since then, their posts of pictures from new tours always brighten our day and we strongly hope our kids will have at least half as much will for joint mountain visits as Primož's kids.
Anyway, a dad who devotes so much time to his kids, I think he can be quite proud. Even if he boasts about it publicly sometimes.
It's interesting that Primož is quite public or at least internet person. If you type his last name and first name into Google, you'll soon see that the gentleman MSc is quite active. I think there's enough proof, several professional articles and articles on the topic of where to go to mountains with kids.
And to touch on the diligent daughter. Google also knows her name and last name well. Multiple participant in sport climbing competitions and also national championships in her category...
There's even a video from last year http://vimeo.com/13306559
Anyway, next time we'll bow in greeting. There aren't many such families...
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| IgorZlodej10. 10. 2011 16:26:33 |
Well, there we are, once it was said that we mountaineers are all equal among ourselves, now one mentions MSc, another PhD, third who knows whom. As for Furlan path - Gradiška tour, despite its short length it's much more demanding than many secured paths in the Julians.
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| urbancek10. 10. 2011 16:41:10 |
@ŠpRo29: That the kids' dad doesn't just drive them to shopping centers, that's really praiseworthy, I also wish for more like that and praise him from here too, but that's not the point of some responses...
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| pohodnik1110. 10. 2011 16:43:08 |
ŠpRo29 – I don't care if someone is MSc or multiple PhD or works as garbage collector or as the first politician in the country. The discussion has lost its essence! The kids train climbing at AO K… and the girl has relatively good results (congrats on that!) and dad for encouragement too! The problem I was talking about is misleading with statements from training kids (and of course nowhere noted that they train) and they rate tours that have long been rated for difficulty and demands. Because some only read this forum they are misled when difficulty is rated as easy tour and then everyone says well if kids can do it I can too!! See that's the core of the problem for me!!!
Dad won't need to boast about them anymore if they persist and achieve visible results at home and abroad… as I read primož already wrote that there are other forums for results. And that's all from me!
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