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| VanSims24. 08. 2010 22:47:52 |
No, Mr. hribolazec1. Not allergic at all to any young lady!
Not even to the one with capital letter. The excursion point itself is very nice as are Gorjanci in general. Surely I'll come back there, but I'll avoid Dom na Gospodični by a wide berth.
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| skalar5025. 08. 2010 08:57:18 |
"Mrs. Marjana" - impression from Koča pri Krnskih jezerih is practically entirely fresh...
and while writing: never understood (and won't) the logic that (some) keepers hand out room keys only in the evening... person arrives tired and instead of resting on (paid!) bed paces the benches...
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| robter25. 08. 2010 09:07:28 |
If we had already entered the room in the afternoon, we wouldn't have wasted anything at the table. Well, maybe.
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| IgorZlodej25. 08. 2010 09:42:39 |
Interesting topic!
I don't sleep in huts very often, because for now I still manage to do all tours in one day, except when there are different plans and I have to overnight. Then I prepare accordingly, i.e. I expect little sleep, and also other possible "inconveniences". You need to know that there aren't hut keepers or other auxiliary staff aplenty, although unemployment figures rise every day. Not everyone is cut out for such work, which of course doesn't have an 8-hour shift with all paid breaks like most valley employees have, and it happens that PDs sometimes get burned when looking for and accepting hut keepers. As I see, most complain about unfriendliness, bad and expensive food, noise and similar trifles that you just have to expect and account for. More than all that, the problem can be that now many hut keepers practically can't tell an "unaware hiker" almost anything about a particular path, difficulty, dangers etc. It even happens they don't know the "house" mountain above the hut, but it's true that explaining to each what they should have found out in advance individually amid a lot of other work is often not possible. Otherwise, the solution is quite simple. Although summer seems short, there's still plenty of time to avoid the most besieged huts and mountains in peak crowds. Then we go to less crowded peaks or during the week when crowds are noticeably smaller. Only a few weekends with nice weather are problematic. Otherwise, most hut keepers (I know quite a few) are above average friendly given their working conditions. "Problems" are usually made by those who even in mountains think the guest is always right, but rules are slightly different there. Bed reservations should be abolished and rooms allocated by arrival time at the hut. That way those who arrive early afternoon could have their bed, and empties wouldn't stay when some "forget" to cancel pre-reserved beds. Good luck wherever you're going.
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| lepenatka25. 08. 2010 10:04:16 |
As for reservations for accommodation in huts, it's really just as Igor says, and in some huts you can't reserve precisely because of those who don't cancel if they change their mind... otherwise a roof is usually found, one way or another... I must say, I have no bad experiences with real hut keepers, but it's true that I behave appropriately to the conditions...
Safe steps to all.
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| Gorazd G25. 08. 2010 10:28:28 |
When reading about hut keepers, I remembered a very pleasant spring experience with the staff at the Mountain hut on Čemšenik plateau. Although even now as three we don't stop at huts very often (before hardly ever), at Čemšenik it was necessary. Hot water stayed home, but for preparing food for the youngest it's essential. In the hut the keeper kindly heated it for us, and gave Julia a dessert too. 
All we paid for was jota for the two of us. Nice feeling when you see you're not just a potential earner in the eyes of keepers, although I realize it can't go without that.
About crowds in huts and all else, Igor wrote very well.
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| turbo25. 08. 2010 11:04:24 |
I sign under Igor's "essay".
I would arrange reservations in "high season" like abroad. You reserve via email, then pay deposit on invoice. If weather (very) bad, they refund, if you cancel for own reasons, partial refund depending on how early. I know, bureaucracy. The mentioned system they already know in Italy, in Austria seriously considering it. But where are we? Probably a project for at least next five-year plan 
Otherwise, my tours are solitary, huts I see from afar, in winter huts closed. Crowds even in high season I hardly know. Abroad they have such order that suits me fine. Room immediately, can rest, food at set time, at night blissful peace. Crowds same as here, actually bigger in many places. But everything works for them.
Every keeper should know to tell a lot about surrounding mountains, connections to other stops, path conditions around hut, of course weather forecast too.
Finally praise to the team at Pogačnik hut. Friendly, voluntary , nicely served, friendly welcome.
With over fifty tours this year, the only hut I entered (here) 
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| skalar5025. 08. 2010 11:08:18 |
Responsible people of the Mountaineering Associations, do you read this forum? Your comment? 
Quite some hut keepers or huts have been named through concrete hikers' experiences and it would be interesting to hear your side of the story...
Does this content reach the hut keepers too? 
"Igor Zlodej", I deeply agree with your views, especially about the joke of the "house mountain"...
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| janez4825. 08. 2010 14:05:09 |
I too experienced bad service at the Hut at the source of the Soča. Keeper without any joy or good will. With my wife we drank coffee that wasn't remotely like coffee and off we went elsewhere. I notice that food in huts is really bad, of course not all. This year bad experience at Roblek hut, where cabbage had no taste, bean stew so watery it was more like bean soup. Next time I'll bring three more cans.
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| šerpa25. 08. 2010 14:27:43 |
Excellent service and attitude (this year): Klemenča cave, Kocbek hut, Planika, Pogačnik hut, and more could be found.
High prices in huts bother me more, and that at some huts you can't even properly wash hands (Planika..) and consequently poor hygiene. If they charge e.g. 13 EUR for jota with sausage, I'd expect at least to wash hands before. Or in short - from collected money associations invest too little in development especially of high mountain huts......and more could be said about them.
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| NEIC00825. 08. 2010 14:56:42 |
Bravo 'matta'..
It is really a problem, because some of us (them) are uneducated and make a reservation then no word from them.
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| Kriška25. 08. 2010 15:00:28 |
Matta, I sighed in relief after your writing, I already thought I'd be again the only annoying exception "deviating from general direction". I completely agree with everything you wrote.
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| jprim25. 08. 2010 15:03:40 |
The best food is cooked at Vodnikov dom, home-made, they even bake bread there and everything is always fresh.
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| mukica25. 08. 2010 15:20:41 |
Exactly as matta says, why waste the whole afternoon lounging in front of the hut waiting for a bed when we can use the afternoon differently. Something similar to what happened on Dolič happened to me at Planika, after work we went to the hut, knew we'd arrive at dusk, friendly hutkeeper just told us to notify if we cancel by chance, otherwise the bed waits for us. She welcomed us nicely, praised us because we still made it by day.Friendliness is important in communication among all of us.
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| turbo25. 08. 2010 15:56:39 |
. . . matta, mukica, ...
As I wrote somewhere above between the lines. They should introduce some reasonable reservation method, then it will be ok. If you like lounging before evening, so be it. If you arrive late at night from a tour, let the bed wait for you. How to introduce a "modern" and uniform reservation system for all stops, the responsible can check abroad.
Above all, high mountain taverns need to be turned back into mountain shelters. When there are no more taverns in the mountains, there will also be significantly fewer such guests who don't belong there. And if they also decide that no self-brought alcoholic drinks are allowed in huts, a large part of problems is solved.
Now many will blow up at me, but let it be!
Police has preventive actions in mountains. How equipped, prepared we are, etc. What if police did a preventive action by visiting some high mountain huts after 10pm and punishing those rioting under influence of booze for breaching public order and peace?!? I'm sure if they can do it in Portorož at 0m altitude, they can also at Kredarica at 2500m!
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| lepenatka25. 08. 2010 16:09:50 |
I also liked to book a room in advance and for many years it was possible without issues.
They changed the regime because some "tough guys/gals" booked beds, even at multiple places at once, then didn't even bother to cancel. Hutkeepers turned away hikers, but in the end there were no "tourists".
Culture is quite at the "bottom", but real hikers don't mind me, as they are not involved.
To others for consideration.
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| šerpa25. 08. 2010 16:42:11 |
I just reserved at Cojzova hut for 12 people....no problem and no extra questions...RESERVED and done.
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| heinz25. 08. 2010 16:48:26 |
turbo, for your proposal a petition would be needed (like for/against removal of Alj. tower)! I'm the first to sign! Unfortunately, I think there's still too much balkan present (not people, but cowboy "culture")..
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| skalar5025. 08. 2010 17:16:26 |
in fact yes... gendarmes and inspectors? how many mountain huts have you checked in this regard (peace, excessive alcohol - rioting, sanitary conditions, pricing policy, bills, etc.) in the last 364 days?
... not that I particularly want them "up there" (even in the valley they mostly "sleep" at taxpayers' expense or don't hit the pockets of those who really deserve it), just rhetorical...
... but I like the forum more and more, as a whole series of - obviously - burning and very concrete questions are opening up...
... just hope we're not (again) convincing the convinced...
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| turbo25. 08. 2010 17:30:18 |
Not directly related to this topic, but anyway. Soon there will be a hike of 100 women to Triglav. I'm curious what the atmosphere will be like at night in the huts where they will overnight
PZS has already said several times that mass going to mountains is somehow not in line with nature protection guidelines. But hikes to high mountains follow one after another. I don't say, group up to 20 people, I still understand somehow. But a hundred (100) women (could be men too, no misunderstanding) plus escort staff 
I've been waiting for years for the Swiss to organize a hike of 100 grandpas to Matterhorn. I'll sign up then
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