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| Janez Seliškar27. 08. 2010 12:11:30 |
reading, thinking and saying:
mountains and huts are by no means amusement parks, there are written (mountaineers' code) and unwritten (mountaineer's ethics) rules that real mountaineers respect.
Regarding wake-up and evening peace, it's like this:
In many huts abroad under demanding mountains, the keeper wakes the hikers in the morning, invites them to breakfast and they go on tour.
Because of the early wake-up, no one even thinks of making noise in the evening, let alone at night.
Let 3/4 of the iron around Triglav be removed, then there will be peace, only keepers will jump into the air, those who will lose their earnings.
And plenty of beautiful moments on paths far from commercial peaks!
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| turbo27. 08. 2010 14:49:04 |
Those who can't do without drinking and rowdiness, it's totally pointless to torture yourselves for hours uphill. Get drunk down there, it'll be easier and cheaper.
I sleep, or rather because of drunks I slept, in huts so I can climb somewhere the next day. And if PZS adopted such an order that there should be quiet from 22h to 6h, I can expect it to be so. And here I have never heard a keeper yell "get up". Actually in the mornings keepers never yelled, only drunks were loud. When I want to drink I go to the tavern, to the mountains I go also for peace and nature. Of which the first is less and less and the second more and more piggish. VanSims, are you really so bright
as your composition?!
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| VanSims27. 08. 2010 19:05:09 |
turbo, I was a bit parodying Jožat's hint about the Austrian (military) way in huts.
Otherwise as macesen1 writes I wasn't so far from the truth, just that it all happens a bit more calmly and friendly. Also regarding equipment they probably give some advice or warn someone upon leaving.
Well as far as I've stayed in Italian rifugios and French chalets there's none of that, but I don't know in Austria. Wake-up can probably be ordered. Also with us maybe...
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| turbo27. 08. 2010 19:21:47 |
VanSims, I hope you didn't take it seriously. The post was such that I couldn't say anything other than crap about it.
To clarify, I neither want nor expect everyone to be in bed at 22h. Those who have - we have - plans the next day, we just go to sleep, others can easily stay up another hour. Even with beer or spritzer, appropriately loud (quiet) depending on the time. And those who don't go anywhere in the morning, let them sleep into the afternoon. If there are no extremes, there are no breakdowns. Anyway I'm not for strict military order, but if I have to choose, the order abroad suits me much better than the disorder at home. Also hut keepers abroad mostly give concrete answers to concrete questions. Unlike at home. Anyway, another four months and snow or winter will do its thing. It'll be fun in the mountains again 
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| skalar5027. 08. 2010 20:51:04 |
"VanSims", nice parody of order in huts! I personally have quite some experience with northern neighbors, mostly positive.
Basically they have the "story more tidy." Not just around order, which is still flexible (but no, at least unknown to me, high alpine parties like Roblek), but I feel they generally pay more attention to knowing the mountains or paths around "their hut". In short you can get (at least my experience) more useful info than from many of our keepers. Especially since Austria has quite a few three-thousanders.
"Turbo", I deeply agree with your last sentence, but I think that "mountain yeehaw schnapps syndicalism" and most side paths we describe on this forum will largely end with the closing of seasonal huts.
If I paraphrase "turbo": peace in the mountains again...
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| skalar5028. 08. 2010 01:01:42 |
... and we'll talk less about huts, because most will close their doors...
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| IgorZlodej28. 08. 2010 07:52:00 |
Yes, there at the end of September.
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| VanSims28. 08. 2010 10:29:42 |
skalar50: I see that the Dolomites are our common passion.
Well, this year I stayed overnight in one of the huts at Passo Fedaia under Marmolada. For those who don't know, it's the highest peak of the Dolomites and in high season about as crowded as Triglav, so comparable. The path to it (from Passo Fedaia) matches in difficulty somewhere a medium-hard path to Triglav. But true, there's no fame that every Italian must climb it.
And of course there was calm peace in this hut and generally at the whole Fedaia pass. Even though during the day packed with tourists and I barely got accommodation. Guests were sitting culturally at tables by the bar even after 22h, but at 23h it was CLOSED! Also no yelling, singing, shrieking, everything clean and tidy.
And from own experiences in usual lowland destinations (also outside Italy) I know Italians are very loud and uncultured tourists who talk loudly while the guide lectures, yell and party till 1 or 2 a.m.,...
But to mountains they obviously have much more cultured attitude than little Slovenians.
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| skalar5028. 08. 2010 10:59:58 |
Yes, I also have similar experiences with huts in the Dolomites, "VanSims".
Especially those in purely private ownership. With generations of tradition that's what I imagine as a decent alpine hut in high mountains.
Also my experiences wandering the beautiful Dolomites and meetings with locals say that their "yelling in valleys" in the hills usually completely changes the behavior pattern.
The above pictures specifically are from last September... really fairy-tale places that outweigh even when you're there on skis...
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| mirank28. 08. 2010 11:39:55 |
Yes, the Dolomites are something special, and the infrastructure there is on a higher level; even the always babbling Italian language is quieter there. Otherwise in summer months Carnia is the law, since less crowded and huts are ok. The most awkward in Italy are in hut Brazza at least of their stations I know. Otherwise taverns à la Komna and Krn Lakes and quite a few more I'd avoid far away here and elsewhere. Only nostalgically can I remember the wake-up in the shelter under Špik, when Francelj drummed us in the morning with the harmonica. For me the first sign that things are changing was when after ordering beer the hut keeper of some hut asked me: what beer do you want, Union or Laško?
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| turbo28. 08. 2010 12:01:03 |
mirank,
you see, that's the difference between here and abroad 
abroad, above three thousand, they ask you:
beer in bottle or draft 
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| dore29. 08. 2010 10:35:47 |
Turbo, and they ask you, Wiener or French schnitzel?
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| gams4429. 08. 2010 14:07:17 |
JULIUS YOU REALLY CAN'T BE HELPED
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| skalar5029. 08. 2010 22:56:05 |
"turbo" cute! ... whoever knows how to read (enjoy like in the mountains) between the lines ... 
...I think there are quite a few like that on this forum anyway... 
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| skalar5030. 08. 2010 10:57:20 |
"mirank": Carnia is quite unknown to me... could you please suggest some idea... something with a hut along the path... thanks!
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| IgorZlodej30. 08. 2010 11:47:52 |
skalar50, I suggest clicking on Abroad on this forum, then on Italy and on Carnic Alps, and you'll find quite a few descriptions. I've visited quite a few huts, slept rarely though, but no complaints at all, service good and doesn't differ from CAI or private huts, many have hot showers and don't charge extra, friendly and mostly know paths and mountains well.
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| joža x30. 08. 2010 16:23:46 |
Are we Slavs already so pampered that we need hot water in mountain huts?
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| mirank30. 08. 2010 17:10:41 |
skalar50, I don't know your abilities, so I can't advise differently than Igor who knows these beautiful and quieter mountains better. Otherwise Tabacco is great with Stritar's guide Karnijska potepanja for ideas and wishes that never run out.
Good luck and steady step.
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| IgorZlodej30. 08. 2010 20:09:18 |
joža x, you have to read it again, I wrote only that they have it, not that we need it and if hot water is there I don't know why not use it. Everyone takes care of hygiene in their own way, even in mountains. If someone likes going around sweaty and smelly let them, and obviously it happens often here since such smelly blankets and sheets as I've met here, not in Italy of course, or at least I haven't run into them.
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