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| lepenatka5. 09. 2010 20:57:01 |
Today I was on Trdinov vrh and in the hut at gospodični and remembered the polemics on this page about this hut's staff.
Huge crowds, only one lady serving outside running from guest to guest, friendly and apologizing for waiting.
Maybe they should provide extra help on weekends.
I can only praise them anyway. If hikers took empty packaging and plates back themselves sometimes, staff would have less work. Some of us old hikers are still used to it.
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| VanSims6. 09. 2010 12:39:41 |
Yes, lepenatka! When I was there too one waiter served a crowd of guests (min. 50)!
I think that's saving in the wrong place.
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| mlada planinka6. 09. 2010 15:33:18 |
This summer I stayed overnight in Dom na Osankarici, where they have a new keeper. He was extremely friendly with our group, despite late arrival and no reservation we got beds, food was more than excellent. He really took good care of us, so I'm already looking forward to another visit 
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| skalar5011. 09. 2010 00:39:25 |
"IgorZlodej" and "Mirank" thanks for Karnija! Austrian Wilder Kaiser (paths, peaks, huts) - near Kitzbuhl - is my main holiday this year. When I get home some snapshot with photo.
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| skalar5013. 09. 2010 00:43:15 |
fresh photo impressions Wilder Kaiser ... visited huts, keepers - such as I'd want them everywhere at home...
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| skalar5013. 09. 2010 10:03:35 |
Maybe this too: the fallen snow has melted, so it's easier to the two-thousander peaks... if maybe someone is heading there...
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| gorski svizec16. 09. 2010 19:17:56 |
On 11.9. I was at Kredarica, planning to overnight and the next day continue visiting some peaks. There were lots of people, no bed, but no problem - settled for a bench. I want to talk about hut happenings. Crowded, accordion playing, singing and dancing long, too long into the night. Then things happened that don't belong in mountain huts. I think there should be house rules requiring quiet after 10 pm. At Kredarica it was most like tavern drunkenness late into the night. Singing turned to shouting, not drinking but pouring, glasses flying off the table smashing on the floor now and then. Obviously keepers only care for profit, nothing else. Not mentioning the law against serving alcohol to drunks. Shouting outside the hut at midnight is not normal. Horrific that some go literally to get wasted on Triglav and it's socially acceptable. After a sleepless night, the sight of cans and broken glasses on the floor was unacceptable to me. LP
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| viharnik16. 09. 2010 19:51:49 |
I agree with you, Gorski svizec! Drunks should stay in the valley, hut masters should rethink their ethics and mission in high mountains over allowing beyond all frames of true mountain atmosphere and order in huts.
They should take example from neighboring countries' huts and order, especially house rules, as the mountaineer next day needs a clear head and safe step on tour.
The only pleasing thing is that the limited summer season of boozing and revelry in huts is ending, which will benefit the rest of the mountains and the wildlife.
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| iskalec16. 09. 2010 20:15:53 |
Kredarica really disappointed me on my last visit. I experienced the same atmosphere as described by gorski svizec. I add the stench from the toilet, which spread around the hut. Foreigners who were there then, especially those from neighboring alpine countries, shook their heads. Don't know how the men depicted in the picture and bust in one of the hut rooms, who were also the main organizers of the building and renovation of Kredarica, would view all this???? If this situation continues, I will avoid visiting Kredarica in the future!!! There are plenty of taverns in the valley for tavern partying.
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| šerpa16. 09. 2010 22:07:08 |
Some already avoid Kredarica... and similar cash-register and overly pluralistic oriented huts and keepers, who put their original mission second for max profit.
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| triglav116. 09. 2010 22:35:54 |
I think PZS or the society managing "mountain hut at Kredarica" should replace the hut keeper next season. The new keeper should take care of order and accordions and send drunks to the valley where they belong. No hard feelings! I myself already avoid Kredarica in a big arc now.
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| prahec16. 09. 2010 23:34:25 |
Unfortunately I too avoid ascent to our Father due to very real above description which I experienced. Just because of general popularity of mountain and already shameful conditions in hut at Kredarica. Near Triglav there are couple beautiful mountains still luckily spared from popularity of "valley shouters". Though approach of true mountaineers shrinks unpopulated nature, scares animals and changes their natural cycle and life flow in high mountains over centuries with our visits, latest conditions in Kredarica hut are outright big black spot amid mountain crystals of some civilizational vulgarity. Whose authors certainly not true mountaineers. Dom at Kredarica as hut under highest peak should be example to all other mountain huts in Slovenia, not "boozers' sanctuary". If it's Slovenia's natural park, competent institutions should act. Don't know how it would hit keeper's psyche and pocket if during those night boozing hours, which he equals, probably financially and morally satisfied with self, visited by trade and/or sanitary inspector. In short, shameful situation caused by human factor, for Julian Alps, for mountains, for Triglav, for high mountain poetry..
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| turbo17. 09. 2010 05:47:20 |
I don't know of any similar parties at Kredarica between December and May 
Outside that time I'm not there anyway 
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| EUGEN17. 09. 2010 09:06:13 |
Capitalism has reached mountain huts too (sadly). Most keepers are after profit and just "complain how bad business is". Of course there are exceptions (hut on Planina Kuhinja). Huts have lost their original function which they had for many years. I prefer to avoid huts and enjoy nature.
That's my opinion and experience.
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| turbo17. 09. 2010 09:42:17 |
PZS has a unique opportunity with the new president to change something in this area. I suggest renaming the mountain huts as follows:
1st category - accessible by car to be MOUNTAIN INNS
2nd category - huts in lowlands and mid-mountains to be MOUNTAIN HUTS
3rd category - huts in high mountains to be ALPINE HUTS or HIGH-MOUNTAIN HUTS.
Offer accordingly, i.e. in the first category equivalent to inns, in the second a reasonable proportion between first and third, in the third only overnight stay (without bedding), hot meat or vegetarian meal, from drinks non-alcoholic beverages, beer and wine. Behavior (i.e. order and discipline) should also differ according to categories.
Otherwise best as EUGEN wrote: let's enjoy nature and make a detour (past the huts). Not all huts, there are also bright exceptions, so no misunderstanding.
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| klm17. 09. 2010 09:56:42 |
Bravo, I fully agree with Turbo, Eugen and Prahc. The most "packarij" is done by PD Ljubljana-Matica. They actually have the best (most frequented, no mistake) huts they manage, i.e., Kredarica, Hut at Triglav Lakes, Dom on Komna, Hut at Savica, Dom in Kamniška Bistrica. Maybe I missed some. The management of PD is so oriented that it actually thinks quite entrepreneurially, so they are only interested in profit. That's why their huts have unique locations, as Kredarica and Hut at Triglav Lakes are the main stops of the "Triglav Highway", Komna brings them profit in winter, the Dom in Kamniška Bistrica is also a starting point for many hikers, an end point for many pensioners and cyclists, even runners. As a registered mountain hut, the tax is only 8.5% instead of 20!?! Just imagine what profit this one hut brings to the mentioned PD! - More than all inns from Stranje to Bistrica together! I myself have started more or less avoiding such huts, or I visit only those where I feel at home. Otherwise, the hut also represents civilization, which I try to escape for a short time with ascents...
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| IgorZlodej17. 09. 2010 11:34:12 |
Kredarica is not like that because of the current keeper, but the history is much longer. The big shots in Ljubljana decided long ago that the Triglav Dom on Kredarica must be enlarged and turned into a hotel, and they got support from various sides. Just look how many sponsors participated (all listed on one of the tables in the dining room); here it's mainly about the lobbying skills in PD Lj-Matica, who of course knew that the bigger the hut, the more visitors and more revenue. PZS actually had no influence on this at all or didn't want it, since "Matica" is the society with the most members and why limit it. Also otherwise, a PZS official stated years ago that "Matica" is a state within a state or within PZS, practically untouchable. Kredarica as the largest or highest mountain station is a very convenient goal for crowds of all kinds of hikers. Our discussion and commenting is more or less in vain, because nothing will change because of it. Concrete remarks, if any, should be addressed to the relevant society managing the hut, and to PZS, which of course again won't solve the problems and inconveniences that individuals encounter or maybe after all. Inspectorate services usually don't go that high, especially without concrete notification of irregularities, but I'm sure they don't read such remarks on the forum either and even if they did, they wouldn't serve as a basis for action, at least not yet.
Otherwise, you can submit criticisms as well as praises here too:
http://www.pzs.si/index.php?stran=Seznam the question is if anyone reads it at all. Personally, regarding Kredarica I have none, especially not off-season.
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| viharnik17. 09. 2010 12:30:13 |
It's true what Igor mentions regarding sponsorship and PZS, but let me add that the deliberate number of bars and capacities at Kredarica itself is not to blame for the improper behavior of guests during night rest time. The problem is who is the master in the hut and if he himself can ensure the rules of the game and behavior. How will foreigners see us in their eyes (chronicles!) in a few years if the situation doesn't change. I also think that in the whole matter regarding this year's tourist influx to the dom, after so many climbers, there shouldn't be problems and thus additional night operations and serving drinks and causing uproar by a minority. If such a trend continues, then it will become a habit for some self-evident types and the chaotic situation in the dom will only continue. I myself with colleagues sometimes stood behind the bar after ten o'clock, but we were aware and considerate to those who went to rest and didn't make noise.
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| skalar5017. 09. 2010 12:51:07 |
Story about caravan and psyches... (Naive) waiting for the rise of general culture of visitors to Slovenian mountains (huts) or tightening of the rules of the game?
Quite interesting how these things are almost self-evident e.g. with our northern and western neighbors while we are still in many places mountaineering (literally) inn-plank-headed...
but the current story (I also strongly doubt that despite this forum and new PZS team next year anything will be substantially different), as IgorZ wrote some time ago, moves to winter sleep... the summer season of Sunday tourist assault troops is after all (June 15 - Sept 15) inevitably ending...
and peace returns to the mountains again (priceless for many of us)... and pure pleasure...
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| micamaca12. 10. 2010 12:31:45 |
Regarding all the criticisms that flew here at Kredarica, I would say the following: the unpleasant conditions in this hut are a consequence of mass visits especially in summer time and mountain-unaccustomed visitors who come here just to "party". This weekend my boyfriend and I were up there, we slept at Kredarica in sweet peace, the keeper is EXTREMELY friendly and it hurts her when badly spoken about them. I know, not all keepers are pleasant, I've met grumpy ones too, but mostly I've had good experiences everywhere. They are also people, probably in summer even exhausted from the rush and probably shouldn't hold it against them if sometimes due to fatigue they don't have their day.
And once again: I would praise the helpfulness and friendliness of both ladies who worked "at the counter" this weekend and the coffee they brewed for us when we returned early from Triglav
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