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| ljubitelj gora8. 09. 2011 09:26:48 |
Yes, so far I've climbed Triglav via Plemenice, from Koča to Skuta, all climbing routes (Ravenska Kočna), also from Logarska to Rinka, Mrzla gora, Jalovec-Škrbina.... is the trail harder than those listed, if I head right.... that left one I'll rather leave. Unless someone offers to do it together.
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| Janez Seliškar8. 09. 2011 09:30:32 |
First decide if you'll go at Nogara bivouac left via ferrata or right on the normal hiking trail, then discuss further.
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| ljubitelj gora8. 09. 2011 09:32:21 |
Right, but I don't know if it's the normal trail, because there are pegs on the map (TNP)
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| keber18. 09. 2011 09:34:00 |
Underneath from Belopeške to Mangart saddle is normal trail, nothing difficult, if you've done the listed, via ferrata Italiana is much harder than the listed, and also much more exposed.
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| Mali Gobar8. 09. 2011 09:34:23 |
Via Italiana is harder than Plemenice and other listed trails, Mrzla gora is something else again, no iron there. If we're talking technical difficulty, of course. But it's shorter and in my opinion well protected, although very exposed. Trail to saddle is easy, no sense discussing difficulty there. Macesen nicely wrote it's just a hiking trail and nothing more.
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| Janez Seliškar8. 09. 2011 09:35:41 |
"walk", only sheep left their remains.
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| Žiga2210. 09. 2011 19:36:01 |
@ljubitelj gora
From Bivak Nogarra the path branches left (Italian ferrata) and right towards Mangart Saddle, from where you can continue to Mangart via Slovenian or Italian route.
Regarding the ferrata, I climbed it a couple of weeks ago and it was pure enjoyment. Super equipped and scenic. Of course mandatory, but mandatory you must have a helmet and via ferrata set, because the path is really much more exposed than the path through Plemenice.
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| ljubitelj gora10. 09. 2011 20:36:56 |
Thanks Žiga22
@primoza: You had a nice time.
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| VanSims11. 09. 2011 10:58:51 |
Yes, the afternoon cloudiness on Mangart was nicely visible from Dobrač, in the afternoon it was quite wrapped in fog, and not only it. Also Jalovec, Viš, Montaž and other high peaks of the Julians. Well, the exception was Očak! That one was basking in the sun's rays all afternoon!
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| heinz11. 09. 2011 18:45:25 |
Mangart is fine, crowds like Triglav..: similarly you meet and have to see all sorts - from runners to exhausted people without proper footwear, kids in (almost) diapers, dogs, etc. Views were really good, while for those who came too late - midday, nothing more, or much less..
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| otiv11. 09. 2011 19:01:15 |
@hribovska
Congratulations! Is this the altitude record and did you get them on the backside? Very nice pics and even nicer experience. Good luck and more such feats I wish you.
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| hribovska11. 09. 2011 22:43:53 |
Thanks @otiv, yes this is my highest record, how such successes are experienced is known by all who hike in mountains
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| matz14. 09. 2011 11:56:27 |
Finally conquered Mangart also via Slovenian route. The climbing part was at least for me adrenaline rush from first to last step. The path is quite well secured, though for my taste could extend a bit more in places Path is very crumbly so helmet absolutely necessary, self-protection kit also more than recommended (I can't imagine ascent without it). Also watch holds and steps as many are already quite loose. With early start avoid the crowd triggering rocks above you, with luck can have summit all to yourself which is extra pleasure.  Maybe dare Via Italiana sometime.
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| CarpeDiem24714. 09. 2011 12:54:28 |
@Matz, congrats on the feat. Before possibly visiting the Ferrata, I recommend some intermediate training level, because there's a big difference between this Slovenian one and the Ferrata from Belopeški Lakes or bivouac!
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| matz14. 09. 2011 13:08:57 |
Absolutely, for now I'm not even thinking about it - nice and gradual.
Can someone give a comparison of the Slovenian on Mangart with Kremžarjeva on J.Kočna - especially regarding protection/danger. Thanks in advance.
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| garmont14. 09. 2011 13:28:37 |
I see Kočna will be your next tour. The Slovenian on Mangart mostly follows gullies and couloirs and is nowhere seriously exposed. Kremžarjeva on Kočna however mostly follows natural passages, left and right, up and down and is therefore exposed for most of the path, meaning there's a respectable depth below you. But it's true that it's secured in an exemplary way and I therefore warmly recommend using a via ferrata set. On the Slovenian path you have to grab the rock more seriously twice (without protection), on Kremžarjeva path except for the entry into the wall there are no major issues with lack of cables.
I hope this path description helped you a bit.
Regards
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| CarpeDiem24714. 09. 2011 13:37:07 |
Kremžarjeva on Kočna won't be too tough a bite for you, I'd just warn you about the thing I remember most about that path; lots of scree on the rocks, especially on steep descent sections and in some "bends", where you have to step very carefully as just because of those few small pebbles you can slip into the valley, because as the predecessor said, the path is quite exposed. Otherwise, go boldly.
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