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| urbancek14. 09. 2011 15:05:11 |
Maybe Kremžarjeva is a bit exposed at some 3 spots, but nothing earth-shattering... Full kit? I'd say no... But you need to watch the scree so you don't slip somewhere.. Cheers!
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| matz14. 09. 2011 15:20:35 |
Thanks everyone for opinions, especially garmont for the nice description. Full kit I'll definitely take, no retakes in the mountains 
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| urbancek14. 09. 2011 17:54:32 |
...but even if you have full kit up there it still doesn't mean there are retakes, as some think...
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| ljubitelj gora15. 09. 2011 00:50:44 |
@matz
Congrats, I haven't managed to summit it yet, I've wanted it immensely for 2 years...hope to at least this week, if not I'll just go in the middle of the night, since full moon is out.
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| gorenjka115. 09. 2011 22:31:55 |
@mountain lover: on the path from Mangart saddle to Belopeški, over Plazje, went last Saturday, upper part tedious, grit, scree field, steep grass, partially collapsed path..., lower down, so the second half, nice path, noticed also newly renovated markings... Going up, this path can be tedious, especially the upper part.
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| ljubitelj gora15. 09. 2011 23:57:18 |
I'll go once to the bivouac, then to the saddle and from there towards the summit....unless directly.
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| janik18. 09. 2011 12:07:02 |
Yesterday I managed to witness very irresponsible behavior in the mountains, namely the attached pics are from the final part of the ferrata Via Italiana. The guy was dressed as if going to mass: velvet pants, white shirt and knitted vest and hat against the sun. Well, he had work gloves which somehow shows that he knew what he was getting into. He didn't care much for the girl behind him as if they were not together but she was the same as him, with no gear except gloves. Let me say it was not the infamous "Czechs" but our mountain folk and the guy was over fifty for sure. Luckily they exited safely at the saddle but otherwise maybe not. Given the traffic yesterday up there and falling rocks, they really could have had at least helmets.
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| neph18. 09. 2011 12:37:57 |
Just about this guy my brother told me, who was yesterday on the mentioned path. Extremely irresponsible person, I agree.
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| ljubitelj gora18. 09. 2011 12:48:02 |
Some really have a strong desire to conquer the summit, risk their lives.
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| Kozorog18. 09. 2011 13:25:45 |
For such there is punishment if they fall down.... (sorry for the rude saying) but one administrative fine in the amount of a couple of hundred euros per person might have made them smarter
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| ljubitelj gora18. 09. 2011 14:08:16 |
If she got stuck in the wall and rescue was needed, she would pay everything herself, but if someone does something to themselves, rescue is free. And what, did these two go from Belopeških past the bivouac directly to the top?
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| dprapr18. 09. 2011 18:22:01 |
On this forum I miss mainly more tolerance and more personal opinions and descriptions of different paths. Least of all I'm interested in how someone is dressed, at what distance they walked in front or behind the companion and how old they are. We never know from appearance what their abilities and experience are. After all, most of us were similar to these two in the past. Of course it was back then when we had to go abroad for every piece of clothing and gear. If we publicly "scold" someone, let's say what's essential and educational for forum visitors. Especially that on such a crowded path they didn't have helmets and sets. Everything else is unimportant and like public lynching!
No hard feelings!
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| tomas18. 09. 2011 19:17:12 |
I was on Friday from Belopeških past the bivouac then via ferrata and Slovenian to the top. Back via Italian to the saddle and then over Plazje to the valley. Met only one couple in ferrata up to Slovenian path so I enjoyed in wonderful weather. At the top of course full of people. Ferrata is very well protected and although I went with some respect there was no panic. But back over Plazje the upper part is really awkward and you have to be quite careful.
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| CarpeDiem24719. 09. 2011 15:51:06 |
Janik & Co., I'll say it like this (I can't see what the guy is wearing on his feet, footwear is almost essential for such an ascent).
As for the rest - no helmet (not mandatory, I didn't have one on my head a couple of years ago when I walked this path, well, norms (social norms) change from year to year), no self-belay kit, obviously (as far as I know, not required) so if someone feels capable of not clipping every 15 cm (I certainly considered myself such back then, so I didn't have a harness).
From my view, I can also say that the guy, as I see, doesn't have a backpack (not sure if prescribed as mandatory) and given that to Mangart it's not exactly 12 h (maybe he even just descended from the saddle to the bivouac and climbed via Italiana to the upper ferrata point and went back only to the saddle and skipped the summit, we don't know!) of walking one way, there's just the possibility he didn't need it.
Then I wonder what the problem is, unless someone here objects and (undeniably) proves that the guy with the cap is a total outsider, without any knowledge of via ferratas (climbing paths or ferratas) and came to try blind luck or even commit suicide!
No hard feelings, I gave my opinion, appreciate also that someone doesn't blow the same horn as the others, we're all different, all equal! 
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| dolinka19. 09. 2011 16:34:05 |
I have the same opinion and think it's the only right thing to remove the pictures of that pair, because it seems like an invasion of personal privacy to me (in my opinion they could even sue you).
I myself for the first time 15 years ago walked (climbed) from the lakes to the top of Mangart similarly equipped, it was just like that and many of us were like that and there was no money for gear either. All listed is "SELF-BELAYING" and there's no law saying that gear is mandatory.
Let the farrier judge the shoes...
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| neph19. 09. 2011 16:51:59 |
I think it's better to warn about certain things in time. Often people sober up only when something happens to someone. I agree with what's written above, whoever feels capable can traverse/climb the mentioned path without a self-belay kit and without a helmet. But it's quite a stupid act. Every modern mountaineer should agree with me on mandatory helmet use, self-belaying is an individual matter.
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| Kozorog19. 09. 2011 20:38:01 |
As for removing pictures and lawsuit it could happen if they were such that they could be recognized or others could recognize them.
No problem with freedom of exposing one's life in all these things, as far as I'm concerned they can go barefoot and naked.. the problem arises when an accident happens (well hand on heart even with full gear an accident can happen no mistake! but less probability!)
then rescuers have to go to work because of some people's foolishness and expose their lives.
Probably it should be sanctioned so that if you're inadequately equipped you pay for the rescue.. or something like that.. if you don't have proper awareness let it hit your wallet!
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| antik21. 09. 2011 08:34:11 |
Is the road to the hut at Mangart saddle open, today I got info that it's closed, nothing on the internet, but I called the hut 3 days ago and they said all ok. Any new info, was there a rockfall? who knows?
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