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| Sam.volk7. 09. 2010 10:35:53 |
Igor, all respect for the work done. You know that one, that we markacists are tough guys on mountain trails. Lp.Franc
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| ahaba7. 09. 2010 16:43:15 |
Hello Igor, today the "working hours" are extending so no thinking about retirement yet. It's raining in Ljubljana and one needs to turn it to a joke a bit to make the day better! LP
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| krasovc7. 09. 2010 20:09:11 |
I know how these things are.. That's why I wrote "quietly". What bugs me most is signing the Italian book, even though I do it completely as if it were Slovenian logbook (for us borderlanders it just itches anyway :-) )
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| IgorZlodej7. 09. 2010 22:41:35 |
Italian book shouldn't be a problem, the guy who set it up speaks Slovenian very well and shows up on this forum sometimes, otherwise I might bring some more up on occasion, now with fewer visitors it's right to sign. When snow falls it won't be accessible anyway.
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| _NiNa_10. 09. 2010 08:30:29 |
Maybe someone knows, what's the path to mangart like? snow? thanks
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| IgorZlodej10. 09. 2010 11:17:29 |
No new snow in our mountains, applies to all highest peaks, safe journey and best regards
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| rozka12. 09. 2010 19:37:06 |
Today via Slovenian path from saddle to Mangart. The path is excellently secured. One needs to be extremely careful as in the morning hours the path is in shade, temperatures are low, cold wind and ice formed on rocks, very slippery. Also here today at the top a real Siberian wind was blowing, otherwise sunny, nice views and very many people, though I would send some home, really reckless and that can cost dearly... kids with helmets on backpacks , others carry almost a baby in backpack on Slovenian path, improper gear is no longer a novelty. Valley still warm, which can be deceptive as mountains already smell of winter... stay safe.
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| keber112. 09. 2010 20:01:22 |
I also went today from Belopeška Lakes via Slovenian path to Mangart, back via Italian (up and down with views total about 10 hrs). What I saw, all during my ascent were properly equipped including helmets. Falling rocks really dangerous. Just as I was tying my shoe mid-path, a rock whistled past from great height, literally exploded on impact few meters away. Helmet really mandatory on this path.
I'd mention that quite a few people headed into Via Italiana ferrata (escorted colleague there, continued on normal path), unaware how demanding it is. Well, at least they turned back before it was too late.
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| IgorZlodej12. 09. 2010 20:11:28 |
I wouldn't say more than on other paths. Fatal case years ago also on Čez Prag path, also on path from Kotovo sedlo to Jalovec (hiker above triggered stone) and of course on Slovenian to Mangart, when stone hit 10-year-old boy (no one higher then, path closed!!!). Crumblier than all listed is Bavški Grintavec, also on Kanjavčeve police stones often fly down, no one walks above path, of course bigger or smaller rockfalls happen many places. We can partially protect ourselves with helmet, which is not almighty. Sometimes the right decision protects us best. So, if many people ahead, better avoid such paths if possible. Best feel when no one ahead, but then need to get up early. Very sensible is also Rozka's warning about frozen rocks, they are especially dangerous because nothing is actually visible, and when you slip it can already be too late.
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| rozka12. 09. 2010 20:16:32 |
Some turned back on Slovenian path too, otherwise Keber1, believe me, I still can't believe someone carries almost a baby on back along this path and puts a hood on its head, thinking it's ok? I also asked one mom mid-Italian path when she plans to put helmet on daughter, in the car? But that's how it is, we're different, lp.
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| keber112. 09. 2010 20:40:51 |
Well, true, all sorts go to Mangart, nothing to do here. Unfortunately noticed blood stain left from yesterday's unfortunate Austrian. But had feeling that start of Slovenian path still too well secured, later (just from the part where the accident happened yesterday onwards), much less, giving a premature false sense of security. Can point to quite fresh torn sling on first trickier part when path steepens.
On frozen rocks I warn too, even at 11 they were still slippery in the last 100m of the path. Actually safer on all fours, though summit almost stroll.
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| Svarun2515. 09. 2010 16:53:52 |
Yes, path start nicely secured, higher up could add cable somewhere.
Unfortunate Austrian heard fall on Saturday unfortunately, chilling how quickly accident happens.
Path to top can be very icy and thus more dangerous.
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| bagi16. 09. 2010 09:17:51 |
@Kucelj. Principle same for both. Difficulties Via Italiana more psych than phys. Climb vertical with huge drop below. If no issue, phys part fine too, path fully secured. Not recommend testing on Via Italiana without experience with such paths. If you have it, no problem.
Bagi
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| Wine18. 09. 2010 07:59:04 |
How many hours of walking for the path Bivacco Tarvisio-Mangart summit past Koritniški Mali Mangart? Thanks
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| viharnik18. 09. 2010 09:39:46 |
From bivouac Tarvisio above Zagače to Mangart summit is about 4 hours of walking. Due to the soaked ground, tours with steep grassy slopes and also more frequented paths in the rocks are completely off. Approaches to the highest peaks are hindered by the new snow that fell last night.
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| IgorZlodej20. 09. 2010 17:58:05 |
I have a feeling you don't really intend to go up, because you're jumping around the forum like you're standing on a wasp nest, but for those who might actually go I'll write that in the summit part of the Slovenian route there's some light powder snow, rocks here and there wet and also frozen, similarly a bit of powder on the Italian one which is on the north side in shade. On the Slovenian one one wire rope is broken, I'm surprised no one has noticed it yet as it's not exactly from yesterday.
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| ljubitelj gora20. 09. 2010 21:34:19 |
I was planning to go, but there will be time in the coming years, let the secret spot remain undiscovered rather than discovered.
Anyway this year I already have several interesting summits behind me (Triglav, Kanjavec, 7J, Grintovec....)
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| panda21. 09. 2010 07:16:57 |
Igor Zlodej wrote under picture no. 3: "Klanška jezera".
Explanation: No lakes in Slovenia have so many names as these. Officially (in Slovenian) they are Mangartska, as geographer Melik called them. Unofficially they are called Belopeška, which is a calque of the German name Weissenfelser Seen. Here and there someone pushes the name Fužinska jezera, which is a calque of Italian Laghi di Fusine. The old name – Klanška jezera – is hardly used anymore; they probably got the name after some Klanški whose property was around there. LP
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