Most visited trails in snowy conditions
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| ljubitelj gora16. 10. 2010 22:15:44 |
Yes regarding equipment really no need to write, because here everything depends on euros.
Gaiters I must first acquire
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| Bojan_A16. 10. 2010 22:32:56 |
Basic rule is that you don't go anywhere in winter where you haven't been in summer. For starters, stick to mid-mountains.
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| ljubitelj gora16. 10. 2010 22:34:10 |
What about trodden paths that lead to the summit, I don't plan to rush every weekend, but if it's really clear.
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| Santi17. 10. 2010 07:18:55 |
Join some course that PDs organize, they'll tell you everything there!
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| joža x17. 10. 2010 13:34:58 |
Ljubitelj on this forum you'll find throughout the winter data on trodden (gaz) trails and if you have no experience stick only to those.
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| ljubitelj gora17. 10. 2010 13:36:02 |
Yeah that's what I'm thinking too, forgot I was already on one winter one this year, sometime January... it was insanely good, especially back down.
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| hanč21. 10. 2010 15:53:52 |
I'm curious how it is in the mountains with snow, just for info.
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| lynx21. 10. 2010 16:51:13 |
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| _mihč_21. 10. 2010 18:32:14 |
In Habjan's book Winter ascents in Slovenian mountains I checked the trip past bivouac IV to Križ and Stenar, and surprisingly it's nowhere mentioned that there are huge crevasses above the bivouac. Is it a slip-up or is there some smart reason they're not mentioned? If it's like that for other trips too, then it's really worth sticking to the rule that in winter you only go where you've been in summer. In this case though even though I know the path it doesn't attract me at all to break trail there in snow. Hats off to whoever breaks trail there.. 
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| prepolc8021. 10. 2010 20:35:07 |
Yeah I totally agree, today I went via Žmavčarje past the bivouac under Skuta to Rinka.
Those big crevasses aren't a problem, they don't get filled anyway, the problem is when there's a few decimeter gap between rocks half a meter deep nicely covered with snow. First time in my life I plowed a trail, it went okay, you help yourself with poles every now and then to see what's below.
It can happen that with abundant and stable snow it's no longer such a problem, since it holds (at least the small cracks.
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| heinz21. 10. 2010 22:24:00 |
Indeed with abundant, stable snow there's no problem because it holds a person's weight, or much more, but the question is until when? At most until spring, or already just until the first major thaw.. Then, if it's not exactly ideal luck that it collapses under its own weight, it can happen under my foot
That's why it's safest to walk only where the route is really well known to us, whether trodden or not. The latter (e.g. ridges) are sometimes routed over ledges. That's not okay, right?
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| Sano26. 10. 2010 18:39:08 |
But is the use of ice axe and crampons necessary on all trails in winter? I would choose some easy tour where this equipment is not needed. Are e.g. Komna or Viševnik suitable? Otherwise I've done both trails already in summer.
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| lesnik26. 10. 2010 19:01:03 |
Sano, use of ice axe and crampons is not so much related to "where" but more to conditions on the trail.
I suggest you follow condition reports on these and other sites, best to go on at least first winter tours with someone experienced. He'll advise you what gear to take and how to use it properly. Also note that actual conditions on the trail may not be as you predicted and/or read the day before on the forum. Conditions can change quickly, especially in winter!
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| antik26. 10. 2010 19:27:00 |
Raduha from Koča na Loki will be ok for starters, in winter Donačka gora is nice too, or some Pohorje or Peca.
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| Santi26. 10. 2010 19:32:00 |
Interesting that everyone only asks about crampons and ice axe, I ask these "askers" if they've heard of avalanche transceiver, shovel, probe..., just like that out of curiosity
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| neph26. 10. 2010 19:32:24 |
Antik, nice that you suggested Raduha for winter tour and backed your suggestion with exact route. In several threads and articles I've read that Raduha is generally mentioned as less demanding tour and suitable for beginners ... Maybe the tour itself isn't demanding, but we all probably know that the north slope under the wall has already claimed fatalities in winter (avalanche). I think everyone should be aware of the dangers and not push one's head through the wall, especially in bad conditions. Mountains in winter require much more caution than otherwise.
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| Hribovc8826. 10. 2010 19:37:01 |
Since you mentioned Peca, this summer I was up there once, left the car at the parking lot (don't know what it's called, anyway there's a very bad gravel road leading to that parking from Podpece), I came from direction of Črna na Koroškem, how is it with that road in winter, can you even reach that parking with car, do they plow the road? Which approach do you recommend otherwise (by car), I know Peca is remote from all sides, but still where is closest from Velenje, over Sleme to Črna and on to Podpece and parking or to Mežica then further to starting point for Peca?
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| neph26. 10. 2010 19:39:00 |
In winter you probably won't get to the parking lot. Usually winter tour is done from in front of the guardhouse (or some lower starting point), up to there it's plowed and reasonably drivable. I've also heard that in winter it's nice to hike from Austrian side, specifically from top of gondola (or valley) of ski area (www.petzen.net), but I haven't walked that route yet, so I can't give more specific or reliable info.
Attaching photos from Peca JANUARY 2009 :
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| Sano26. 10. 2010 19:46:53 |
Santi, I know what avalanche transceiver and all other avalanche gear is, but I only asked about ice axe and crampons because I wouldn't choose a path where there's avalanche risk or I just wouldn't go there if there are reports of avalanche danger. Thanks for answers, and take care.
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| Santi26. 10. 2010 19:49:51 |
Just so much, avalanche gear is winter "mandatory" equipment, just like ice axe and crampons, or winter tires on the car...
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