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| JusAvgustin2. 07. 2014 14:00:06 |
Damn, another fatality among alpinists. Sincere condolences to the family.
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| otiv2. 07. 2014 14:55:50 |
No longer among us is a friend of the mountains,
for whom the wall was dearer than the path.
All of us wish to reach the summits
and return back home.
But life sometimes turns cruelly,
so that a dear person never returns.
Our sincere condolences.
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| Žiga222. 07. 2014 15:36:04 |
Damn, 5 fatalities since Saturday... What don't people get? 
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| Janez Seliškar3. 07. 2014 09:11:33 |
Also Sunday's slip on descent via Tominšek route ended tragically, sadly.
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| Bandzo3. 07. 2014 13:44:45 |
So, already 12 in total if I understand correctly? Maybe it's just a subjective view, but: since I started venturing into the mountains more intensively myself, it seems to me that the number of visitors is increasing. I might be wrong, since now I also move more in circles of hikers and mountaineers, and this feeling might be completely wrong. But I think many people (I've met some like that) go on tours unprepared, with their own gear that they don't know how to use, and even ask on the path how to handle it. But it's a challenge to go on a demanding or very demanding route. Moderation and progress go well together. Overdoing it can quickly be fatal. Of course this note doesn't apply to the instructor, as he was probably very well aware of what he was getting into. But we must be aware that we are responsible for our actions. For some, unfortunately, even with their lives. Condolences to all who have lost loved ones, one way or another.
Safe steps,
Regards
Ben
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| Žiga223. 07. 2014 15:12:43 |
No point talking about inexperience in instructor's fall in Planjava, as recent cases showed (NŠG two weeks ago) that even such experience doesn't help if foothold breaks or rock hits head.
What instructor and student did, hand on heart, unfortunately not so rare to climb some 2s/3s (first two pitches in Humar-Škarja route) even without protection. Always compromise between speed and safety. To be 110% safe in alpinism, would take 6+ hours over 200m wall!!
Other is lack of equipment, probably reason for slips in other recent cases. Don't know details, but still lots of snow in Triglav Notch. Maybe someone knows more about other accidents past days (Hungarian slip on Tominšek, Japanese on Triglav, youngster between Dolič and Planika, guy on Storžič)?
Useful if someone writes a bit about these circumstances and shares info, maybe learn something, instead of such topics taboo and closing eyes.
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| heinz3. 07. 2014 22:08:02 |
Bravo Žiga22! Intended to discuss this also in section "Memorials to deceased hikers", but topic seems too big taboo for Slovenes. Essential to talk about it, as victims of fellow hikers teach us a lot!
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| Zebdi4. 07. 2014 13:32:22 |
Žiga22, topic not taboo at all. Fully covered in book Spomin in opomin gora. Latest accidents not included, but bet almost all possible causes are in it. If not enough, there's excellent book - Pit Schubert, Nevarnosti v gorah - safety and risk on rock and ice. Whoever interested gets far more relevant info from these two books than from internet forums...
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| Žiga224. 07. 2014 14:15:40 |
I read Schubert's book, interesting and useful stuff.
However, it would be useful to talk about accidents happening today. Namely, with the development of technology and society, the causes of accidents change, mainly because the human factor is most often the cause. E.g., we know that mobile phones (as a source of EM radiation) attract lightning, so we must turn them off during a storm - they didn't know about these problems 15 years ago.
Furthermore, accidents and their causes are also conditioned by the terrain, so it would be good to know where the dangerous spots with loose rocks, etc., are at the moment.
Of course, take forum information with a certain reserve. But if someone posts it and backs it up properly, it is no less relevant than from a book.
I notice that the topic is a taboo in the Slovenian space, where one must be silent about the dead (for an unknown reason) and not talk about them, God forbid saying something bad like climbing unroped is stupidity of the first degree, especially with a student.
Instead of talking, discussing and acting about it, we all prefer to stay quiet until the next unroped climber crashes to the bottom.
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| Zebdi4. 07. 2014 14:36:39 |
It's not that one must be silent about the dead. It's more about what the discussion is based on. GRS published (and probably still publishes) analyses of interventions, where the causes and sequences of events leading to the accident are briefly described. This seems to me the only credible basis for debate, because reports in our media are usually quite inaccurate - a debate based on some poorly written article is, in my opinion, not even sensible for at least two reasons: first, we don't know the real circumstances, and second, based on incomplete information we can very quickly accuse someone unjustly of negligence, thereby unnecessarily hurting their relatives...
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| Žiga224. 07. 2014 14:56:31 |
I agree. The basis should be GRS reports. They usually publish the most accurate and detailed information.
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| ljubitelj gora4. 07. 2014 21:25:26 |
Has anyone dug up any such reports on the GRS site?
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| IgorZlodej4. 07. 2014 21:55:36 |
Here: http://www.grzs.si/# something is published. I fully know the Hungarian's accident on Tominšek's path too. Banal reason for the accident. Wrong step, slip and fall, and no helmet use, which would probably have saved his life. We don't write tips for nothing, interesting that everyone from that group used it afterwards, but sadly it was too late for one.
Sunday was, weather-wise, completely unsuitable day for ascent to Triglav or in general for higher mountains, which were all the time in fog, strong SW wind was blowing, thunderstorms and showers appeared already in the morning.
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| panda6. 07. 2014 10:06:37 |
Why don't I see any report anywhere (gore-ljudje or elsewhere) about the accident on the Planika - Dolič path? Thanks to everyone who will forward the information. 
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| otiv6. 07. 2014 14:54:31 |
Again we are left speechless,
for the mountaineer the trace of life is lost.
Perhaps the last to see him was the little flower,
this is a truly painful truth.
Our sincere condolences.
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