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Planned removal of Aljaž Tower from Triglav

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anjuša18. 07. 2009 20:35:11
Today I heard what's planned.. unheard-of! Aljaž Tower is not accessible to me on top of Triglav, and I don't want to see or touch it in the museum by any chance, let it stay where it is and PERIOD!!
Is this again a case of "THICK ENVELOPE"?
Will the matter be resolved again in a few years when the damage is already done??

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stankoju18. 07. 2009 20:36:45
Well today they also announced on POP TV that the tower relocation will happen this year and museum representatives said they need something attractive to attract more visitors to the museum. So our predictions were correct, it's only about popularity for them and not about the tower that should be renovated on top of Triglav where it belongs. I don't know who PZS are but aren't we all their members too, then they should ask us as well.
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geppo18. 07. 2009 20:45:07
Are they crazy... will that be an invitation for masses of people to the museum??
Regards
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heinz18. 07. 2009 21:04:56
I strongly agree that this is another case of THICK ENVELOPE!
Guys and girls, we will have to think about which lever to pull so that this crime doesn't happen.
Let's start collecting suggestions, I don't know, -signatures or something similar..
Let's hope that unity and majority still have some power to prevent this.
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serajko18. 07. 2009 21:36:47
I think they should put Ekar in the museum and the original one!!
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stankoju18. 07. 2009 21:43:49
The tower must stay where JAKOB ALJAŽ placed it, otherwise the effort of JAKOB ALJAŽ and his like-minded people was in vain.
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viharnik18. 07. 2009 21:58:22
I also strongly agree with Triglavskega's comment on POP TV. The excuse that the tower will collapse right now is completely far-fetched. If century-old storms couldn't shake it, then some stupid greedy thought of someone who has nothing to do with mountains, let alone Triglav, can't either. As for viewing the tower, Triglav lovers have probably all seen it already and keep it in beautiful memory in older years when they can't go to the mountains anymore, the others won't step over the threshold of the mountaineering museum anyway. Let them give a replica to the museum, let the tower rest on the mountain. All things, especially old ones, absorb cosmic energies that contribute to the pearl of the mountain and radiate healing energy, especially on ridges and peaks where there is plenty of prane (negative ions). I think this is just a marketing construct and we can compare it completely differently, as if someone thought of removing Jakob's or Kugy's monument and moving it somewhere. Things that belong somewhere have a deeper meaning and must stay there. Nice mountaineering greeting to like-minded people!
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Fazo18. 07. 2009 22:02:20
If this happens, I will despise PZS forever and say it clearly and loudly everywhere. I hope others will be smart enough to resign from this association too. Already because of the mere consideration of this I despise them, let alone if they really do it.
As I say, I hope I won't be the only one boycotting PZS (with their museum, maps (there is an alternative), discounts,...).

Regards, Matevž
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izvorc18. 07. 2009 22:10:13
hello, yes I was two years ago for the first time on Triglav, but I only managed to reach Kredarica... no mountaineer... and of course I wish maybe this year to the top where that tower symbol is. And when I think of Triglav immediately Aljaž tower comes to my mind even though I'm a bad mountaineer. Here, I just want to say I support you in the fight for keeping that symbol... greetings from Međimurje.
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bono18. 07. 2009 22:38:40
If signatures are being collected, I'm definitely in! I haven't been to Triglav yet, but I want to see (touch) the original Aljaž Tower, not some new tin sheet!
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GITA18. 07. 2009 23:38:18
No, now I've got a "mess" at home mežikanje. When my daughters caught the news on POP today, they started cheering big time that we MUST go to Triglav this summer urgently, while the original tower is still standing up there. And this story just doesn't make sense to them at all, because they know "by heart" grandpa's stories about how some years ago they carried twice a day "in barrows" each 25 liters of water to the top for concreting when they were renovating the tower. Why can't it be renovated today when helicopters fly up there and can transport the necessary material for renovation? Well, I didn't have a prepared answer for that question, but we're definitely in for any action that would prevent this stupidity.
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boni18. 07. 2009 23:49:25
And if petitions are written for everything, let one be for Aljaž too. Just don't know how to do it and where to start it so it has some weight. Does anyone know?
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Kozorog19. 07. 2009 00:02:13
Gentlemen armchair mountaineers at PZS, we members simply won't give you the Aljaž Tower for increased museum visits. Put a copy there and show it to tourists. If you don't heed the opinion and majority of members, I think you'll be left without a large majority of members. It's not about protecting the tower to be clear but about nepotism and profiteering!!!!!!!!!!!!
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GITA19. 07. 2009 00:39:29
Maybe a bit utopian - but what about an initiative for a referendum zmeden? If we've had so many for all sorts of things, why not one more? I'm really curious how wrong I'd be if I predict that the outcome wouldn't be much worse than when we decided on independent Slovenia? I know, maybe I'm too much of an optimist zmeden
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Kozorog19. 07. 2009 01:07:22
I just sent an open letter to PZS with the following content:

Hello!

I am a member of PZS and a long-time supporter of the volunteer work of all who have contributed to preserving paths and mountains in our beautiful Slovenia.

I simply cannot understand the one-sided decisions to relocate the Aljaž Tower from the top of Triglav, as it has nothing to do with common sense. I don't know and don't even want to know why the PZS leadership behaves ignorantly towards us members and wants to suddenly move the symbol of Triglav and Slovenianness to a museum where you will take away our Slovenian pride and faith in the highest peak Triglav. Probably every president and leader must leave some monument of their own, and in this period this leadership is supposed to leave a monument by taking away the symbol of Slovenianness from us and putting it in a museum. And put a copy in its place. You can put the copy in the museum too, but leave the tower, which is in excellent condition, where it is. Instead of paying for helicopter transport, better give money for the renovation of the tower that will collapse according to you. I seriously wonder when you were last at the top to dare claim such unfounded things.

When did you last give a dinar, tolar or cent for preserving this cultural heritage that you now want to administratively take from us and make all of us who will still climb Triglav cultural and spiritual invalids?

I can only tell you that I am ashamed that nepotism and profiteering lead our PZS. Real shame for Slovenes who have worshiped our father Triglav since ancient times!

Are referendums really needed for irresponsible actions so that they come to their senses?

Matija
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stankoju19. 07. 2009 08:20:13
In the book "Memories" Jakob Aljaž describes in a very interesting way how and why the construction of the Aljaž Tower took place.

"I built the tower at my own expense and later donated it to the Slovene Alpine Association. I bought the summit of Triglav from the Dovška municipality for 1 fl. I was the highest landowner.

In this highest building in our country are kept a memorial book, stamps, three round stools for rest, especially in cold wind, and on the wall is painted a panorama with names of distant and nearby mountains.

In cold wind, the little tower is a good shelter, of course only for three or four people. Originally I had a samovar and a bottle of spirits in it; that was in those times when only idealists - honest people went to the mountains.

Due to wind and snow, the door is small and a bit off the ground. Individual parts of the tower, made of thick galvanized sheet metal, were made and assembled on Triglav by Mr. Anton Belec from St. Vid above Ljubljana.

The iron pillars (angle iron) inside the tower are concreted into the rock. The lightning rod on the north side extends 25 m from the roof down under the snow.

The wire is copper. But lightning also goes through other wires into the rocks, one of which it badly damaged.

Because of the tower I had a lot of lawsuits. The Germans sued me that I destroyed the underground first-order triangulation point, which was not true, because 40 years ago civil engineers only erected a wooden pyramid for surveying on the top of Triglav, which was destroyed by weather hazards.

The Czech-German provincial surveyor K. sued, who ordered the Radovljica surveyor to question farmers, tourists, hunters, guides - and all behind my back. The investigation had been going on for half a year before I found out. I obtained the relevant hearings and inquiries partly confidentially.

But I had good witnesses that 40 years ago the surveyors only erected a wooden pyramid, not laid an underground triangulation point. Witnesses were: Požganc (Janez Klinar) and the Srenj servant Gregor Legat. The Germans were already bragging, because the provincial surveyor had threatened:

"We will remove the Triglav tower and priest Aljaž will pay 1000 fl. fine."

But I knew what I knew, and I quietly fooled them.

When we were sitting in the inn garden in Radovljica and priest Berlic said to me:

"The Germans are plotting something against you on Triglav", my confident Gorenjska joke slipped out:

"They will all shit themselves together".

The whole company burst into laughter, including the judicial councilor.

It's also interesting how I pulled the wool over the eyes of the chief of the German Section Krain when the investigation about the Triglav Tower was going on, and we were drinking together at Šmercol.

He said to me: "We won't tolerate the tower here. We operate here and the tower must be demolished!"

I pretended to humbly beg him to leave the tower, because - "You know what tin is. In 5 years rust eats it and it's all over! The chief nodded satisfied: "That's true!"

I then happily told the Slovenes how I pulled his mustache. But the Triglav Tower has not been eaten by rust to this day.

All the annoyances were finally resolved by the soldiers.

Captain Schwarz proved that there was no underground triangulation point on Triglav before, but that civil surveyors only erected a wooden pyramid.

He asked me to let him use the tower for measurement, namely the line between roof and wall, and buried a box with parchment in the center of the tower as the real triangulation point, and said:

"Now the tower is under imperial protection, remains your property. No need to register it. No one has the right to damage the tower and from Vienna I gave order to the district authority that the gendarmes check every year if anyone damaged the tower. If you make any changes to the tower, also notify us."

I was happy because I got full satisfaction, and the Aljaž Tower soon became widely known among climbers, through storytelling and postcards, especially among the people it became famous through Janko Mlakar, who described in the Družba sv. Mohorja how he took Trebušnik to Triglav and barely stuffed him into the tower.

When Trebušnik had eaten his fill in the tower, it is written and shown in the picture how they pull him out through the too small door, screaming at the top of his lungs. This joke went all over the Slovenian world and Trebušnik himself liked it.

But the Triglav Tower was created like this:

In 1895 we went to build it: me, master Belec with one worker and my two workers Požganc and Kobar.

We overnighted then in the old small Dežman hut, as Slovenes didn't have any hut yet.

There was thick fog. So in the morning I didn't go to the top of Triglav, but stayed in the Dežman hut, from where I listened to them hammering together the individual parts of the Triglav Tower.

I talked with the keeper of the Dežman hut: glassmaker Vilman, whom I already knew before because he was from Mojstrana.

He said to me friendly and confidentially: It's lucky for you that there were no Germans here tonight; otherwise there would be no space for you. There were few beds along the wall, during the day they pulled the beds up to the wall. German tourists, members of Alpenverein - of course - have priority over Slovenes.

At that moment I decided to make the Triglav hut, namely a little hut just for myself and a couple of friends. If the Slovene Alpine Association wakes up to my call, we will build a big hut, where, I will inspect next week; if I don't find space elsewhere and no one helps me, I will build my little hut next to the Dežman hut 10 steps from it... - my national pride was so hurt.

It will happen! The world is ours, the Dovška municipality - 137 entitled persons, among whom I am too - but would a German strut so much in our world that a Slovene would go to Triglav only with fear? No!

A few years later a German who came from Triglav attacked me angrily in Mojstrana, saying: How dare the Slovene Alpine Association build a hut on Triglav when we Germans made the path up there!

The next week I went to Triglav again, accompanied by choir leader Matej Hubad who was accidentally with me, to check the Triglav Tower and determine the place for the Slovene Triglav hut.

We overnighted again in the Dežman hut, there we found the friendly Mr. Gassner, Tržič factory owner, with whom we sang: "Ave, maris stella" (Hail, Star of the Sea).

He had a nice baritone.

We also drank champagne, saved one bottle for the next day, for the opening of my tower on top of Triglav. It was beautiful weather, those present on the top: Matej Hubad, Gassner, me and my two workers Požganc and Kobar.

Požganc throws a dynamite cartridge that pops loudly, the champagne cork jumps up with a pop, we sing again: "Ave maris stella" then "Triglav, my home" and the opening was done. -

The wider public only later learned about the opening of the Triglav Tower.

Someone described the construction of the iron Triglav Tower in the supplement of the Laibacher Zeitung and even distant tourists were very interested in the tower.

In it there was safe shelter from cold, poisonous winds, when a tourist came sunburned in light clothing to the top of Triglav, in the tower he could spread his map and enjoy the calm view.

Sometimes up there the wind is so strong that it carries stones...

Excerpt from the book Aljaž collection (Klinar, Strojin, Urbanija, Škulj) Mohorjeva družba 1993 - Jakob Aljaž, Alpine Memories


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defender19. 07. 2009 08:28:51
This is another stupidity by the PZS; if it's been up there for more than 100 years, let it stay for another 100 years. Even if it were really as worn out as they said on POP TV, when this one falls we will put up a copy; until then let it stay where JAKOB ALJAŽ placed it jezenjezen::
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strelec195419. 07. 2009 08:41:01
At first I thought it was just a bad joke, I can't believe how far comrade Ekar will go or can really a handful of people decide on the wishes of the majority of other mountaineers, who according to comrade are forbidden and can only be alpinists.
If somewhere signatures are being collected or anything similar to stop this madness that the "irresponsible" want to carry out, I join immediately with my abilities. Has really the value money prevailed also in mountaineering-alpinism, because only that can make such madness as this that the "irresponsible" from PZS want to carry out? I'm proud not to be their member.
Greetings to all mountaineers.
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totalcek19. 07. 2009 09:09:49
On Friday I was at the top and I must say the tower is in excellent condition, I don't know which tower they had in mind at PZS when they said this one is disintegrating, maybe they have some rotten copy somewhere but that one is disintegrating. Anyway you big shots with fat asses go to Triglav to see how excellently the tower holds even though it's up there over 110 years and if century-old storms, lightning, hail, snow and rain haven't destroyed it and carried it to the valley why do you think you have such power. Maybe because it would require a bit to sweat, move the asses, or so that you polish it every day in the museum? If you bring it down it will lose all the shine it gained over all these years on top of Triglav.
P.S. If there's a referendum for every dog procession, let there be one also for this that the tower stays where Jakob Aljaž placed it!
But who can see that it is disintegrating?1
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Kozorog19. 07. 2009 10:05:43
On the alpine association website there is an open forum
> Alpine talks -> Voting on the relocation of the Aljaž Tower to the museum

http://www.pzs.si/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4931

where you can also vote... whether anything will be considered is of course another matter...
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