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pikica14. 09. 2011 22:03:50

Yes, I know the rockfall was yesterday, I thought he just uploaded pics from yesterday today. Well, now I know nothing, what's the deal, DaniloS, could you add something maybe.

Irina4. 09. 2011 22:25:51

So we don't do anyone an injustice.

The warning was posted on this website and on gore-ljudje.net, maybe elsewhere too.
It should be in TV and radio reports too. Given that more and more people go to the mountains. And if they publish all sorts of nonsense, they could publish something smart too.

I believe most don't check websites before a tour, especially if skilled climbers and not first time. Everyone listens to the weather forecast before going to the mountains.

If the "caretaker" of PD Tel.in Pošte route or GRS Kranjska Gora posted a warning at the wall entrance, visitors' behavior was extremely irresponsible.

And we still don't know when DaniloS went on the tour and if he was warned of the danger.

van4. 09. 2011 22:27:38

If rockfall pictured then pics probably from 3.9. If uploaded 4.9 doesn't mean taken that day!

pohodnik114. 09. 2011 23:59:39

Irina... if you know where and when the warning was given (BEFORE ROCKFALL!!!) you can back it up for us ignorant ones with concrete proof!!! I think you're writing off the cuff or mistaken... I read a lot but I haven't seen that pre-rockfall warning anywhere!!! It appeared only after... regarding the dates of the pics, "van" wrote it all!!!

If you provide us forumers with that proof, I apologize in advance!!! If you wrote it off the cuff, you know what I think of your writing, how much I value it, and your future ones!

DaniloS5. 09. 2011 06:51:01

Pics are from 3. 9. 2011 from 11 o'clock, not from 4. 9. 2011

Irina5. 09. 2011 08:10:59

pohodnik11 4.9.2011

Why did you tackle my post with such zeal?
Read all from "story start", so you're not so reckless next time accusing others of things they didn't write. Your post shows half-read and worse understood.
Write in your own name and don't drag "other forumers" along, they are literate.

BTW, nowhere did I write that there was a published warning of imminent rockfall danger, but it would be right to mention the post-rockfall danger in public media too.

Successful and peaceful work week to all.

pohodnik115. 09. 2011 08:25:04

Irina... I didn't understand your writing as you explained it. So I apologize....

IgorZlodej5. 09. 2011 08:51:32

If @DaniloS's description had been more concrete, there would be no dilemma. But 80% of forum descriptions are such that they belong only in a personal diary and you can't help yourself with them.
More on the Prisojnik rockfall here: http://www.gore-ljudje.net/novosti/69246/

Kozorog5. 09. 2011 09:36:52

The whole thing is a bit misleading....@DaniloS, yeah, good thing you made it without injuries, since you went up after the path was already CLOSED, right? Can you imagine the danger you'd put the rescuers in in case of an accident??? And yes, you witnessed a rockfall, but the one in your photos isn't the first one that caused the path to be closed (you did pass the notice, didn't you?), but the second or already n-th...I come to this conclusion by comparing your post and the post on gore-ljudje...(Igor's link). And @tomiš is right that no notice works here, there are always those who think they are "above nature"...Even more sad is that among them are respected and esteemed authors of hiking guides...

gregcs15. 09. 2011 10:23:27

But you guys know how to make a fight out of every topic... Jeez!

I find it extremely controversial that DaniloS and company, despite the warning about the closed path, went on it. The rockfalls they observed were indeed n-th (as kozorog wrote), since it was still trickling all morning after the main rockfall, which was just before 7 a.m. But I'm sure if that group had seen it (like my buddy and I did) it wouldn't have crossed their minds to head into Hanzovo. Imagine how big the rock falling must be that you can clearly see it two kilometers away!

Irina5. 09. 2011 20:06:52

Andrej (Stritar) I am deeply disappointed in your behavior. Someone who has prepared many hiking guides, who always warns about caution in the mountains, ignores the mountain warning himself. The same one who warns not to challenge because it can cost lives, himself grossly violates those same rules.

You ignored the warning that the path is closed. As an experienced mountaineer, you set a very, very bad example.

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@pohodnik11 5.9.2011....of course, I accept the apology. No grudges among hikers....let's move on.

gornistvo5. 09. 2011 21:09:28

I'm curious, what is this warning? Is it maybe something someone writes on some server that someone might see or not. Or is it a big sign at the entrance before the closed path that clearly prohibits passage in several languages? zmeden

Has anyone looked at the European regulations on maintenance and safety on hiking paths? I doubt it, otherwise there wouldn't be arguing .. mrk pogled

Kozorog5. 09. 2011 21:19:48

Gornistvo... nobody is arguing. The point is that some due to irresponsible actions put rescuers in mortal danger if rescue were needed in such a case.

When we note that in case of stupid actions, GRS rescues only when dangers to rescuers' lives are over... then it will be different!

IgorZlodej5. 09. 2011 21:50:56

@gornistvo, I don't know why we should follow the European regulation, what does Europe have to do with it. PZS - KPP already made appropriate warnings years ago, which I think are still valid and I assume they are already posted. For those who don't know what they look like, I'm attaching pictures.
Of course, every sign warning of danger should be taken seriously, because in the same minute or hour when a rockfall happens, it's not possible to physically set up appropriate warnings. But it's the case that some walk on closed paths despite clear markings and even boast about it on the forum, and there are also those who have to go on such paths for various reasons.
@irina, I think it's not appropriate, even less dignified to name someone by name and surname and preach to them while hiding behind a nickname yourself. That's also why this forum is at the level it is, because everyone under a nickname allows themselves a lot and often too much.

mstirn7. 09. 2011 18:39:30

Hi mountaineers.

Only today did I notice you're talking about the rockfall. Since I don't know Prisanka very well yet, I'm curious if I accidentally captured the rockfall in my lens, photo taken from the top of Škrlatica, where I was on 3.9.11 in the morning. Can someone confirm if the rockfall in the photo is old or if it's the one that happened Saturday morning. Best regards. Matej

Prisank from Škrlatica. In the background Jalovec

ben7. 09. 2011 18:59:27

@mstirn: The rockfall happened on Hanzova, which can't be seen from this side. But you can admire that hole if you climb to the top of Prisanka via the Jubilee path. Anyway, that's not a rockfall!

Best, B

LidijaJesih7. 09. 2011 20:27:16

I tried to view the rockfall from the Ridge path, but it wasn't clearly visible. But from Prisojnik side at the entrance to Hanzova there's already an official warning sign posted, and no adventurers were seen on it. Kopiščarjeva is safe, fixed protections in good condition, though here and there it looks like something might fall there too, especially in one section the rocks are quite loose. Well, as long as Prisojnik stands and days are like today, it's worth it. Nice afternoon hike nasmeh