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| Trobec13. 09. 2023 21:16:33 |
Well it's clear where the catch is. Solely and exclusively in money. Both officials in the article admit it quite shamelessly. Especially this is good...that now when the road is asphalted, the municipality gets ownership and skins the hikers. They really have no shame at all 
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| Kafetarca13. 09. 2023 21:17:54 |
Absurd bullshit, best to just close all mountains in Slovenia and the "problem is solved".
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| franci12313. 09. 2023 21:55:28 |
Trobec, sadly this applies practically to all "protected" nature. First an ordinance is adopted to protect a certain area, then an educational/walking path is arranged and promotion starts, when visitors start coming, support infrastructure is also arranged, in the end due to some kind of "overburdening" access is limited and expensive parking fees and entrance fees are introduced. Often then the paths and infrastructure that don't bring profit stop being maintained, especially freely accessible walking paths. And we know who pockets the money in the end.
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| Daaam13. 09. 2023 23:15:15 |
On 7.4 I wrote in this thread that they're quietly preparing us for the road being only for the chosen ones.. well now the outlines of the access regime are showing. Jezersko, Valvazor and Završnica valley, Vrata, Krma are also being prepared.. Vršič, Pokljuka. Barriers are growing like mushrooms after rain so even Drago or grega from the shore won't be able to find them all They all have one thing in common.. € As much as I smell, they haven't said the last word on Pokljuka either.. In short.. last one turn off the light. They've turned the mountains into a park for tourists. Let the responsible ones f*** Amen
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| turbo14. 09. 2023 10:47:30 |
In the name of the barriers, TNP and the municipal bigwig, amen
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| funnyboy14. 09. 2023 11:06:41 |
Judging by the comments, someone else on this forum has "woken up". But I'd add something: I think it's not just about money, but also about control. Whoever can connect the things happening especially since 2020 onwards, many things can be clear to them why it's like this and in which direction it will go if we support it. So maybe it's best to think whether we will support (in this or that way) these stupidities or not. As for myself, I already know the answer 
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| darinka414. 09. 2023 11:11:32 |
They only think about those with a lot (of cash). They don't give a damn about everyone else. They also don't realize that not everyone is close to the starting points, but you need a few hours' drive. All bullshit. As it looks, soon everything will be barred.
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| Trobec14. 09. 2023 11:28:50 |
Well... I don't know if various municipal officials are capable of "global" thinking, they don't even need hints and directions from various "uncles" to awaken that quite primitive feeling in them - endless greed.
Of course I agree that surveillance is enormously increasing at every step. And the saddest thing is that many people go into this completely voluntarily... Well, maybe that's why it's easier for the municipal officials to charge absurd parking fees. Once the back is bent...
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| panda14. 09. 2023 11:30:06 |
Personally I have nothing against paying parking fee if the price is within normal limits. But I'm against paying parking fee if it says (and in most cases it does), that parking is at own risk. 
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| ljubitelj gora14. 09. 2023 11:49:47 |
The purpose could also be to go to other starting points too, some paths are overgrowing because they are visited too little. Some paths are too crowded, consequences will be permanent so they will need to be restored. Who will do it, since there are no young path markers. When I see that paths are maintained mostly by 50+ year olds or those aged 60+. Now above Trento there under Zjabci, only 1 car and higher up also only 1. Also B station Kanin and a bit higher only 2 cars....but you pay at B station as much as you want. In Vrata valley now asphalt, your car doesn't get dusty and stays clean, otherwise it won't work without a barrier and accepting only a certain number of cars into the valley.
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| franci12314. 09. 2023 12:08:22 |
Locals usually support such decisions, they don't care - if you've lived 40 years in Mojstrana, you've long ago walked all the nearby paths that would interest you.
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| seinfeld14. 09. 2023 14:26:59 |
I think turbo's proposal is appropriate. And I'm in favor of charging parking fees at the most crowded spots.
But for me the pleasure of hiking is where I meet few or no people and I don't have to drive 2 hours alone to the starting point. Not to mention the carbon footprint. That's why I avoid these most popular spots in the Julian Alps in a big arc.
I go on foot (or by bike) from home and in solitude cover the same distance, the same elevation meters as if I were going to Triglav.
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| jax14. 09. 2023 14:44:14 |
I think turbo's proposal is appropriate. And I'm in favor of charging parking fees at the most crowded spots.
At Falzarego Pass I parked for free. If this isn't among the most crowded, I don't know which is.
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| zappa14. 09. 2023 16:33:21 |
I was at Veliki Oltar a while ago. I was looking for that P further from Poldov rov in pitch dark and missed it and unintentionally drove to the main parking lot. Time was 05:20. Parking was packed full. Sure, I haven't been in Vrata for a few years but usually around 7:30 am you could still find a spot. Packed at 5 am is a bit too much. I turn around and find parking a bit further from Poldov rov. There were already two cars there. I change and Slovaks arrive. They ask if it's free here. They say they're going to Triglav. I say yes, but 2 km further there's parking for Triglav and it's 6 euros. They said they'd park here and extend the tour by 2 km. Because of 6 euros. It doesn't bother me, but it bothers me that because of such people we'll have it even around all other mountains near Oltar, Kukova špica etc. What worries me more is for us Styrians if it's already full at five. For me Vrata is one of the closer starting points for Julijci but even to here I need well over two hours. And I already wake up at 2 am. And then what? I drive to parking and it's full. Go back to the bus and say it's full. Should I go home? Plan B? I know there are many other starting points where I often go but I think in the end everything will fill up.. Best regards
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| capraibex14. 09. 2023 17:05:38 |
Turbo has the best proposal, probably too good and light years ahead of TNP policy. What opinion does PZS have on all this, which could influence the events? Maybe even-odd system (one day foreigners, next day locals) .
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| n3jc14. 09. 2023 17:38:21 |
This year they increased accommodation capacities in Vrata (Gustlnov dom) and I wouldn't be surprised if they expand the parking inside too...
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| LISAC14. 09. 2023 17:54:26 |
turbo bravo for this, copying:
Relatively simple to arrange things, even so that the wolf is fed and the goat whole.
From 22h to 3h at night the valley is closed, all traffic prohibited, night peace.
From 3h to 7h the road is open, during this time those going to the mountains park there. Anywhere from Vrata. From 3h so you can start the tour after half past four, in summer early hour helps.
From 7h to 13h only bus traffic allowed (tourism).
From 13h to 15h road open, bus doesn't run then. Those going to the hut arrive in Vrata, from where they'll go on tour next day, and those who finished the tour leave the valley.
From 15h to 19h again only bus traffic (tourism).
From 19h to 22h again only cars, in and out of the valley.
This traffic schedule applies say from 15.6. to 15.9., outside that time the road is normally open to all vehicles, as it is now.
If the authorities thought at least half as well, everything would be feasible
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| dprapr14. 09. 2023 19:05:59 |
zappa
During the week it's not crowded. Last Tuesday we Styrians parked without problem at 7.30 in Vrata. There was still plenty of space, weather top. Stena nicely in shade too.
At the Za Cmirem junction, where the sign for parking (for bivouac II?) is, there was nobody either.
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| dragon14. 09. 2023 19:19:18 |
On Tuesday returning from Planina Blato I overtook two Germans at the parking meter before the barrier. Since they didn't know how it works they asked me for help. "Insert ticket here" I say, "money here, 20 euros". "Oh my God" the woman says quite loudly.
Yes, even for rich foreigners this is quite usurious. And someone will say why not go by bus. Because in September it runs only on weekends. They say don't go by car to the mountains, then offer us impossible alternatives.
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| Kafetarca14. 09. 2023 20:11:50 |
I also like the PZS proposal that we should go to the mountains by train...
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