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| dprapr4. 07. 2019 20:53:50 |
Such questions or answers can mislead...
Probably that's why some are bothered by such questions, because they know what can come out of it. They don't bother me personally, but I don't answer them either unless the question is personal.
Anyway, the 2nd sentence from KJ is more appropriate than the last sentence from Stas.
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| slavkoa5. 07. 2019 07:34:35 |
Drago, these questions don't bother me either, the ones appearing these days for all possible tours, but like KJ I wonder if it's so hard for people to pack all the necessary gear, prepare themselves mentally and physically for the tour and maybe with a spare ice axe or crampons even help someone who will find themselves in trouble on their path. I have the gear with me at this time when snowfields are still present and never ask about the need for gear; if someone asks, they are probably not very skilled in ascending in these conditions and it's better that they go on an easier tour. Maybe then the number of accidents in the mountains would decrease, which are quite worrying at least for me. I'd rather suggest to someone a bit more "rudely" that they go on an easier tour than encourage them into an accident. The forum is really meant for information about paths, but answers from some experienced mountaineers can mislead the less experienced. No offense to everyone and lots of enjoyment on our beautiful mountains, above all: caution is the mother of wisdom.
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| sAleska5. 07. 2019 10:23:09 |
It hurts a very experienced mountaineer (who is disabled) to hear the answer that he should rather stay home (it has been written several times already - not referring to the current questioner in this conversation) just because he asked somewhere on hribi.net e.g. about gear - so as not to carry it unnecessarily. Every gram counts, since he has to carry things that healthy people don't have to. Mountains are also therapy for such people. Let's allow it to everyone. Of course it's right to warn - but in a friendly and polite way and with the thought that the reasons for asking may be different from what I perceive.
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| jax5. 07. 2019 10:31:15 |
I agree. That someone inquires about conditions is one of the most responsible things that can be done before a trip. As simple as that.
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| SamoK5. 07. 2019 10:41:27 |
The question "Is this or that gear needed?" is not appropriate. For one it is, for another it isn't. If an arrogant youngster tells you it isn't - is it for you or not?
The only appropriate question is about conditions: how much snow, how hard it is, on what slope. Then let each person decide for themselves. Personally, I would never decide based on someone else's opinion. Whether gear is needed or not is just an opinion, not an objective description.
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| sebo3065. 07. 2019 10:52:07 |
More worrying than someone asking about conditions is that some give information not from firsthand experience or even wrong.
In times when there are still snowfields in the mountains, you just take crampons and an ice axe with you. The gear doesn't weigh 10kg and if it's too heavy to carry, that's already a sign that the chosen tour is too demanding. Often you have to change plans and the other path is in different conditions.
Of course you can ask about conditions, but you have to consider the possibility that the info is wrong. I personally believe info from people I know or with current photos attached. Comments like "it could be", "you can cross this without winter gear no problem" etc... are very dangerous and authors should ask themselves what they're writing. Difficulty is relative, what is very hard for one can be really easy for another. So stick to facts and write things you can stand behind.
Don't mess around, 112 is not "hello beer".
All in all - ask about conditions but still be prepared for everything that can surprise you at that time. Go on paths you're up to and the chance of an accident will be smaller.
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| Stas5. 07. 2019 13:25:54 |
I understood that coupet asked if the passage is possible without winter gear, if there is still snow or not... Based on my reply, two options would be possible - either postpone the hike or take winter gear... I can't agree at all that it's sensible to carry winter gear if there is no snow; most probably don't even have it at home, but it's different with a helmet and optional self-belay kit... I believe we are responsible people on this forum and I don't know why someone would give wrong information? If you only trust known people, then the forum is not needed! I can't imagine an answer if someone asks how much snow there is, how hard it is and on what slope...:-(
Good luck in the mountains and more patience!!!
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| sebo3065. 07. 2019 15:30:23 |
I spoke generally and not about this specific case.
Snowfields can also be hard and icy in the morning even in summer.
Of course in mid-summer you won't carry crampons to the mountains, but depending on conditions and snow amount in the mountains, winter gear will still be needed in many places. If someone doesn't have winter gear at home, then they shouldn't go to high mountains in areas where they might encounter snow (or turn back then), because they also don't know how to use it!! And yes, CURRENTLY the north sides of our mountains are still problematic in many places. A 1m snowfield is enough to slip.
The lightest ice axes today weigh 200g (100€), crampons likewise (300g). Personally, I prefer a half-kilo heavier backpack than having to turn back. And yes, many don't turn back and risk it! In many cases it ends well, unfortunately not in many others.
I don't search for information about current conditions on the internet.
I am definitely very patient and meant nothing bad at all. We know why accidents happen and let's work on that so there's no need to go rescue people in the mountains unnecessarily!
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| blixabargeld5. 07. 2019 17:20:43 |
Damn, how some know everything about everything (but nothing else, quoting Mlakar...).
The guy politely and culturally asked if it's possible without winter gear from one end to the other. If you know the answer, just write it; I'll illustrate with examples for those who don't get it: 'yes, possible, no snow anywhere', 'no, no chance, snowfield on a very steep part', 'on one part there's still some snow, frozen in the morning, softens in the forenoon'. If you don't know the answer because you haven't been there recently, just write nothing.
Based on the received information, the hiker will decide himself whether to go or not. Ultimately, he is also responsible for where he goes and how it ends.
I'm sure not all of you (us) who advise here are perfect experts for mountains, alpinists, rescuers and whatnot. But you do know something. Maybe more than the one asking. Let's share what we know and be silent about what we don't. Especially less know-it-all attitude towards everyone smart enough to ask something (which is the primary purpose of the forum). Everyone sometimes finds themselves in a situation or area where not everything is crystal clear, and it's nice if it's nicely explained. We're all so smart about how to behave in the mountains when we return to the valley (or to the computer), but obviously it doesn't matter.
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| capraibex5. 07. 2019 18:32:48 |
I agree with the last comment. Offensive and inappropriate comments the moderator should remove. Block the authors, and the matter is solved.
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| jax5. 07. 2019 20:12:27 |
@blixabargeld
Wonderfully said. Finally a comment on point. Some don't like it, but mountaineers help each other...
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| skalar505. 07. 2019 21:19:37 |
@blixabargeld
I fully subscribe as well ... sober, prudent and clear words
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| dprapr5. 07. 2019 21:31:37 |
"That someone inquires about conditions is one of the most responsible things that can be done before a tour."
If that's the most responsible thing done before a tour, no wonder there are so many accidents.
It is responsible to prepare for the tour (and preparation certainly is not a question on the net), to go on a tour you're up to and a snow patch cannot surprise you because you have gear with you and know how to use it. If not all of that, then go with a guide.
Nothing wrong with carrying gear unused. Better that than not having it when you need it.
Advising specific gear to an unknown person, that would be an irresponsible act.
SamoK wrote well how to handle it.
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| jax5. 07. 2019 21:42:19 |
I think this mountaineering snobbery must be resisted. And then some carry full gear for moving in a roped party to Škrlatica? You never know if the anchors on the belly rock will be broken. Let's be real. Inquiring about the path conditions and acting accordingly is the basic principle of any activity, whether in the mountains, on the road or anywhere else.
To me, this approach seems a symptom of this modern hyperindividualistic society. Where doing something for others is the worst thing, because, hey, if something goes wrong, you can end up in court. Just like we've heard comments that even hut keepers shouldn't give information about surrounding paths. Although they are there precisely for that. Wrong world.
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| VanSims6. 07. 2019 09:35:24 |
There is no dumb question, dumb is the one who doesn't ask.
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| redbull6. 07. 2019 09:44:32 |
Tadej, are you laughing at this stuff?
Do something already, some newbie on the portal will think he's on some show "Farm"
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| kolpa19. 07. 2019 15:11:02 |
Please provide information on how much time is needed for the following tour: Pogačnikov dom at Kriških podih-Križ-Dolkova spica-Skrlatica-Bivak-Aljažev dom. Please write the required time for individual sections. Thanks and best.
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| piotr19. 07. 2019 15:47:55 |
Nice full-day tour (4h ascents + 4h descents).
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| darinka419. 07. 2019 15:49:31 |
4-5 hours from Kriški podi to Skrlatica. But approximately, it depends on how much you stop at Kriz and Dolkovi Spici. And of course how fast or slow you hike. From Skrlatica back to the valley also some 4 hours. I don't know if you have the whole day; hiking time is the least important.
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| Stane719. 07. 2019 16:00:21 |
We needed 10 hours, 6 up, 4 down, to Kriz just over 1 hour, to Dolkova spica approx 4 hours. Bivak somewhere halfway on the descent path.
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