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| triglavski8. 10. 2009 19:34:47 |
But I do believe geologu79, I myself never walked more than 3 hours from Šlajmerjev dom to Škrlatica, and it went quite comfortably with backpack and all gear for such ascent, of course in gojzarji too, because mountains you go only like that anyway, and with me was someone 20 years older than me and one who goes to mountains occasionally, and we never ran. Also to Triglav I got in 2.25 hours without any running because I don't like running at all.
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| viharnik8. 10. 2009 19:36:52 |
I have no words, otherwise don't call me like that, but if you meet some enlightened divine man on the path, regardless of his age, then call him and bow nicely to him too. Lp-Rok
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| JusAvgustin8. 10. 2009 19:40:38 |
sorry... I too always to mountains only in gojzarji, full backpack... depending on tour. better more than too little.
will do.
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| šodrovec8. 10. 2009 22:59:59 |
Speed on mountain paths. Everyone go their own way, just don't disturb others too much or trample over them.
But always when this "eternal" speed topic comes up, I remember an article in Planinski vestnik - i.e.: PV 1990, 07-8, p. 340/341, Janez Brojan st., Over Kopice to Dovški križ.
About how and in what time he got up, I won't write intentionally (look in PV archive yourselves), but I'll quote a couple of his sentences about the path from Dovški križ (2542 m) to valley - to Vrata. He says: "At ten I set off back to Bivak II. Despite caution on smooth hail-covered terrain I was already at Bivak II (2120 m) in eighteen minutes. ... At quarter to eleven I left the bivak, quarter past eleven already standing at Poldova planina."
Aha, supposedly not important, but still: Mr. Janez Brojan celebrated 69th birthday on the day of described tour.
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| heinz9. 10. 2009 05:42:51 |
It is true that in mountaineering love of natural beauties and sports spirit go hand in hand more or less, but still let's admit that in case of emphasizing speed of walking in hills and mountains it at least looks (seems), as if the one who is in such a "hurry" wanted to be home by the stove as soon as possible, from where he could finally send self-praises to the world in one way or another... (As if it were necessary to ask who or what is (the) best for you (us), or if you like it at all?)
(I don't know), isn't it better to spend a nice day in wonderful mountain nature than in the valley (or even behind walls)? Also to me, although I very rarely time myself, it has already happened that I returned home in the middle of a nice sunny day and then pondered why I had to hurry so much, when now I am sitting and looking longingly back to the mountains...
Therefore I want to note: no, it's not unimportant (walking time), but quite the opposite; important is to stay up there as long as possible where it is nice for us.
This I say first to myself, as well as that let those who train the sports discipline called mountain running deal with time competitions.
For me it holds: why get upset about the hour, minute (second!?), when I came to the mountains mainly to enjoy their peace..
Safe, heinz!
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| viharnik9. 10. 2009 06:29:47 |
I strongly agree with Heinz! My last trip to Planika from Uskovnica I spiced up with picking boletus mushrooms. Started very late at 9am, arrived at Planika at 2pm, with a prior half-hour stop at Vodnik hut and relaxed more at Planika, where we watched an eagle in the clear sky nicely circling Triglav and earlier a furry marmot at Vodnik. As for Janez Brojan's records, from my own experience, you can't get down from Bivouac II in half an hour (maybe with paraglider) and not even then when speeding down the scree on snow. Paper endures a lot of course. My best time on this route is around 50 min, and I'm not slow when I want.
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| šodrovec9. 10. 2009 09:03:03 |
To be properly understood. I too am one of those "mountain snails" who only exceptionally realizes that it's possible to return from the mountains before nightfall ...  But I try to understand those who experience mountains quickly; surprisingly I notice that some of them, despite speed, manage to graze all senses.
Brojan's feat is presented just to remind that even decades ago our greatest casually glanced at the clock. Of course they might have "overlooked" a "second", watches were only accurate to the minute then . But they looked around without worry!
Because of Mr. Janez's article, once when I was exceptionally in a hurry down to Vrata, I watched the clock. I used good three quarters of an hour for the same route ... (Through the forest it drags.) But just then above on the screes a "chamois" "fell" past me downward. He dashed by so fast that I felt like standing still (though I had "full throttle") ...
The point of the story: there's always someone with a slower clock in pocket than ours, and someone whose time runs faster. Also: publicly published "personal records" have always been and will be subject to hot debates. They're good just for that, otherwise no greater benefit in my opinion.
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| JusAvgustin9. 10. 2009 10:40:40 |
I understand you gentlemen and agree with you. Whatever suits someone. Currently I'm in a phase where sometimes a couple of peaks smell good, not just one, hence speed. Otherwise I also immensely enjoy mountains, but hand on heart, I don't feel like grinding knees on scree, better "fly over" and enjoy more time on top in silence and solitude. That's the purpose, right. And if you're early and as quiet as possible, you see such things... you have to experience it. You know what I mean. If possible I go to mountains even in total darkness, well yesterday I had to start when it was already dawning because battery didn't work. And nice mountaineer's greeting, as much satisfaction in mountains, nice moments. Maybe we'll meet sometime and go for a feast!
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| Sam.volk9. 10. 2009 12:14:18 |
It's really a trifle that the battery doesn't work, but good lesson for next time. regards
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| Gorazd G9. 10. 2009 12:19:08 |
I rarely write about times in my posts. Even less to boast about speed. There are many other (more pleasant and interesting) things that deserve attention in my opinion I think everyone knows best for themselves what pace suits them best (nowhere written that it has to be the same on every trip). I also believe we all enjoy mountains, whether "snails" or "chamois"
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| heinz9. 10. 2009 12:41:41 |
Gorazd, your stories (posts) and photos on gore/ljudje pages confirm that you are a person who takes the necessary time to enjoy what's offered.. (whether along the path or on summits).
Compliments to all your posts!
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| triglavski9. 10. 2009 14:39:50 |
Regarding hiking speed to mountains there are as many variants as mountains. Lucky those who don't need to watch the clock, just be careful that mountain beauty doesn't overwhelm them so they forget to head to valley, then night catches them and rescuers have to bring lanterns up. Since I also deal with drafts of route signs where time is indicated, need to consider at least 2-3 different guides to approximate the optimal one suitable for most. Still happens that somewhere it's tighter or stretched. No objection if someone boasts how fast they were sometimes, I do too, because sometimes you have to check the clock to know roughly where you are.
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| Gorazd G10. 10. 2009 11:42:10 |
Heinz, thanks
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| wall18. 01. 2010 16:05:56 |
I'm curious if anyone has experiences with Škrlatica in winter conditions and would be willing to write about it.
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| azuri7. 07. 2010 16:48:33 |
Dear;
I looked back a bit but didn't notice any comments about Skrlatica anywhere, I'm interested in the conditions from Vrata to Skrlatica, from Skrlatica to Kriška plateau and Razor, and back to Vrata?
Thanks in advance for replies.
regards
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| alesh747. 07. 2010 22:52:59 |
azuri....you can still expect some snow patches, so don't forget to take your ice axe, this is how it looked on 3.7 from Dolkova špica...
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| jozo16. 08. 2010 21:02:55 |
Morning in Vrata not very friendly. At 5 I park, and just as I'm putting on my hiking boots, the parking collector drives up to me and politely greets me while demanding 2.5 eur from me. Well, ok. Still much less than at Mangart or in Stara Fužina I tell her.
Weather not cooperating either. All summits covered in thick fog. By "four" I'm already properly soaked, wind strong too. In the bivouac I wait for better conditions, but looks bad. Later three more mountaineers join me and we chat where everyone's from. After less than two hours weather stabilizes a bit and we head on together. I know weather in mountains changes fast, but this fast??? Just a stone's throw from bivouac rain again, which accompanies us for the next hour and a half. Despite rain jacket I'm soaked for the second time, so I decide to turn back. The other three continued, hope they're safe! My Sunto showed just under 2400m alt.
P.S. Viharnik: read your message. Would have stacked the wood, but it was too wet, so let it stay outside another day. If not before, I'll stack it next time I pass by. Regards J
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