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| sodnick10. 03. 2014 12:02:49 |
How is Kramarca compared to Y in Vrtača? I was there yesterday and I was thrilled. But I don't want to exaggerate, so I'm asking.
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| jedriličar10. 03. 2014 12:07:00 |
Find yourself an experienced one to take you the first time in such a route ... otherwise it's quite long ... look at the pics and judge yourself ...
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| sodnick10. 03. 2014 12:22:55 |
Just the pics scare me 
If I look at this year's, it's doable, from 2012 it's a completely different story.
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| JusAvgustin10. 03. 2014 12:28:37 |
this year it's a walk... If LG went it... Just go yourself! If it's too hard for you then turn back...
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| Jovan Cukut10. 03. 2014 14:27:31 |
Some of you exaggerate on this forum misleading potential repeaters. Kramarjeva route may be ever so ideal, but it's always demanding. Especially this weekend, with some wet slopes and traverses and avalanches on the ridge and above the exit. Even a very experienced mountaineer, let alone an inexperienced hiker, can make a mistake on the ascent, slip or get buried by an avalanche, be it in Lenuhova, Y or any gully. All who climbed Kramarjeva route this weekend were lucky not to get hit from above. Admitted or not, some on this forum.
My view of the ascent, for those who want to see it and conditions in Kramarjeva route, on the link below.
https://picasaweb.google.com/113805105178377351223/StorzicKramarjevaSmer09032014#
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| redbull10. 03. 2014 15:20:43 |
that last one is funny, did you eat too much lizika or what. What are you shooting?
Teacher/student. I have nothing against LG, true he writes a bit funny posts, but Juš he can't even reach the knee in such matters.
best regards
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| Bojan_A10. 03. 2014 15:44:10 |
My buddy and I were in Kramarca today. Everything is iced up, only the snow is no longer ideal, as it's already refrozen. But we didn't go the usual variant where I climbed in summer - i.e. turning right from the main gully to the bivouac. But we went straight up through the ledges and small gullies. Those who know Kramarca a bit better: "Where were we? "
REPORT from the tour: http://bojanambrozic.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/kramarca-pozimi/
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| Bojan_A10. 03. 2014 17:06:40 |
Thanks. Obviously we were really in the Cankarjeva route.
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| ljubitelj gora11. 03. 2014 21:05:13 |
Juš, redbull, lizika, best to go together to the mountains and settle there how and what without me, this is the forum-conditions section intended for describing conditions on Storžič, if I managed it, why not in company it's ALL EASIER, when alone it's far from easy. Fear grabs you, what if you fall, what if it buries you and no one around  So, if anyone heading to Storžič chooses Peto žrelo in good conditions, slope up to 50° and it's completely different from Kramarjeva, Cankarjeva route, better leave those routes to various beginners from AO.
I'm 100% that I would have turned back on Saturday if alone, when spotting that "smoking" snow up there and small avalanches from Storžič wall, I'd run back so fast and please don't mention me here on the forum anymore, this happens non-stop. Juš and similar, it's easiest to drag along, let someone go solo to winter Triglav at night and he'll see how it is. My rule is also not to listen to others but to myself, my desires, ... otherwise I'm quite stubborn because some want to give me rules in life
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| redbull11. 03. 2014 21:08:37 |
Your solo winter tour was no problem, now go repeat it at night, it'll be a bit different.
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| ljubitelj gora11. 03. 2014 21:13:56 |
It won't be any different, it'll be undoubtedly a longer path and easier, just still 2nd grade.
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| Domch11. 03. 2014 21:24:38 |
I suggest you compete on Mrzla gora, so we can see who's the strongest I'm not kidding, hats off to all who go up there and take pics, so the rest can see the beauties from your trails too. And don't argue up here without need.
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| viharnik11. 03. 2014 21:39:49 |
I don't know why we have to constantly argue who's better or worse, because it has nothing to do with the mountains' mission. Mountains are for people to get physically stronger, sharpen their senses and get spiritual inspiration, balance themselves and enjoy the spirit given by nature or She-He. Achievements matter and are judged only through the eyes of someone who hasn't lost their ego yet. Some of our alpinists are already like that, climbing from pure inner unconditional desire, which isn't conditioned by external observers (public, media, sponsors, climbing partners, golden ice axe, if you want).
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| draganp31. 03. 2014 08:56:21 |
Yesterday I found a climbing ice axe in the Fifth Žrelo. The owner is waiting for it in the hut.
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| lzajc31. 03. 2014 10:12:21 |
draganp, people like you give hope to today's society. Truly the best thanks for the ice axe. Hope I can return the favor someday!
Best regards.
Ice axe owner
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| pantani131. 03. 2014 10:39:09 |
draganp
Hats off, respect
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| robter31. 03. 2014 13:11:03 |
draganp, at the top you asked about the ice axe, nice it found its owner.
pantani1 congrats to your group for the courage. You saw that even with the flooded gully, some jump or detail can cause trouble. In future recommend for alpine route, which "kramarca" definitely is, climbing harnesses, and one rope on the harness, which allows easier belaying.
Good luck and safe steps ahead.
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