Toll booths on Vršič and in Vrata
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| dprapr15. 11. 2024 08:01:39 |
Yeah, there isn't. 
On foot, like back in the day when there was still snow. You say it was nicer then.
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| bongo15. 11. 2024 08:40:49 |
Obviously you can't drive past the barrier. They're not boasting, they stated the actual situation. When the suckers run out, you can charge half a euro for a mug too. That's how it is gypsy-style, pardon, Kranjska Gora-style.
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| DVas15. 11. 2024 08:53:16 |
That's right bongo, nice summary
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| piotr15. 11. 2024 10:30:43 |
In principle you could get to Vrata valley even by bike, as in the old days.
Kranjska Gora folks probably saved a bit on barrier length for that reason, so bypass around them is no obstacle.
Problem is the bike path from Hrušica to Rateče now has winter closure.
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| mirank15. 11. 2024 17:20:08 |
Rumor has it gypsies got robbed in a village on way through Slovenia. I think it was Kranjska Gora.
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| vstarc1615. 11. 2024 18:35:32 |
My question to KG municipality:
Regarding Kranjska Gora municipality post ( https://obcina.kranjska-gora.si/objava/1015314 ) that winter conditions on Mojstrana-Vrata road from 15.11.2024, please explain what specific conditions on 15.11.2024 dictate declaring winter conditions? Snow? Ice? Avalanche risk? Why not on Vršič road?
Reply:
Dear,
based on message from state road manager, Kranjska Gora Municipality just forwarded road closure notice. As it's state road, manager decides on necessity and reasons.
Nice day, Robert Klinar
Who is road manager? I'll write him too.
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| lojze182515. 11. 2024 19:11:13 |
When they cash in, the road is municipal; when winter maintenance is needed, it's state. 
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| asdf15. 11. 2024 21:23:30 |
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| brett16. 11. 2024 20:03:47 |
I shared with dozens and we all confirmed. Bravo for the petition!
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| potpodnoge16. 11. 2024 20:05:06 |
Regarding the topic itself, I think the toll for state roads is already settled with the annual vehicle registration. Which says like this: "Annual levy for the use of vehicles in road traffic (we used to call it road tax) is paid by road users for road motor vehicles and trailers." So, tolls should no longer be collected additionally. The other matter is parking lots. They are not mentioned as state property or that levies are paid for them at the state level. But there is a problem with excessive traffic in some area. But, a person is free and can decide for himself where, when and how to go anywhere. Of course, provided that some social norm and individual behavior is taken into account, which we have to honestly admit that people are becoming more and more rude and reckless, which doesn't belong in a more or less undisturbed society. If the municipality provides free or paid with some moderate amount parking and arranges decent transport to the target destination, then excessive traffic on individual sections can be limited. But before limiting traffic, a truly acceptable transport alternative must be arranged. It's normal for parking fee to last for 24 hours and not until midnight, when parking lasts several hours or up to 24 hours. That we are spoiled and would preferably drive to the bar with the vehicle, we also know. And walking was never a problem when traffic wasn't as busy as today and you had to walk quite a while from the bus stop to the goal even on flat ground, only then the real ascent to the mountains began.
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| Mcgiver16. 11. 2024 22:02:02 |
The road over Vršič is overburdened in summer and there would be nothing wrong if a toll was charged for use (for cars and motorcycles), but not usurious, say 5€. Why should all tourists drive up for free? In Austria, high mountain roads are toll roads and not cheap. But the question is whether the funds would be used specifically for maintenance.....??
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| mirank16. 11. 2024 22:17:18 |
What connection does overload have with paying tolls? Would it be less then? If you go for tourism, you have to adapt the infrastructure. Tourism earns in other ways, not by charging parking, WC, tolls. In It and A you have roads and passes at much higher altitudes for free.
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| Mcgiver16. 11. 2024 22:25:23 |
mirank, if you don't see the connection between overload and toll payment, every effort and explanation is pointless.....
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| mirank16. 11. 2024 23:28:24 |
Dars also collects tolls on the highway, yet it's still overloaded. To make you understand that is also a waste of effort, unless you're from a privileged municipality that collects money there and in Vrata, but it was built with money from all taxpayers. On Vršič, the jams were often caused by avoiding paying the illegal tax to the Gorenjska usurers. Consequently, some undisciplined people preferred to park on the other side by the road under the pass and thus hindered vehicle passage.
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| Hammond17. 11. 2024 10:32:29 |
vstarc16: "The road will be open until the MAINTAINER assesses that it needs to be closed due to winter conditions," explained the mayor.
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| dragonar18. 11. 2024 19:04:48 |
Hammond, maybe you know: it's possible with money (read: without permit) to Vrata. Everywhere there are signs: parking Vrata red X at ramp, sign passage for pedestrians only with permit. Possible or not until worsening of driving conditions
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| asdf18. 11. 2024 19:38:25 |
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| Hammond18. 11. 2024 21:00:50 |
I just pointed out the difference in wording, which is obviously tailored to certain biased needs. The original promise was that the maintainer (probably the local utility company) would close the road as needed, but when that company was asked why the closure, the blame was shifted to the operator, i.e. the state. When it comes to collecting money, on a state road it's again done by the local actor, i.e. the municipality. Such nonsense usually arises when intentions are not as presented.
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