Toll booths on Vršič and in Vrata
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| Trobec22. 11. 2024 18:08:12 |
No winter tires, no chains, no 4x4 drive, nothing suffices in harsh winter conditions on this road. Except, as mentioned above, plot ownership. Then snow parts itself like sea to Moses 
Maybe it helps if you're a tourist in some valley accommodation. Emphasis on tourist. Not hiker overnighting there. How to prove "tourism" vs hiking don't know exactly...maybe flip-flops and map ignorance?
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| dprapr22. 11. 2024 18:17:23 |
And we should also conclude the debate at the closed road. 
It'll be necessary to buy a few squares in the valley, like Aljaž in the past. Then there'll be a permit for entering the valley.
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| Trobec22. 11. 2024 18:21:51 |
Yup... looks like we'll have to buy a few squares in many places if we still want to go to the mountains. Like Konec/Jermanca for example.
As if corona taught us about the necessity of ownership...
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| dprapr22. 11. 2024 19:45:14 |
Eh, it's not far from the hut in KB. Especially to Jermanca there's a nice path.
But in Vrata it drags on. I've walked from Mojstrana several times. Even in the biggest heat, because you usually arrive in Mojstrana around noon. In winter it was just a trail from the last houses onwards.
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| Mako26. 11. 2024 10:18:00 |
No more guessing needed ... summarized after a few phone calls with all stakeholders. Below is a short summary from all those conversations/emails.
The road manager is the Infrastructure Directorate, the maintainer/concessionaire is Gorenjska gradbena družba. The maintainer monitors and notifies the manager and proposes road closure, the manager confirms and notifies KG municipality to close the barrier. The maintainer sets criteria based on winter conditions and follows the nature conservation agreement that the road is closed from 15.11. to 15.3.
This last criterion no longer applies! Unfortunately, neither the maintainer nor the manager know this or are pretending. From TNP I got info that from 1.11. a new regulation applies, according to which the road to Vrata can be open even in winter. Conditions are number of vehicles and suitable conditions (i.e., no snowy or icy road). So exactly the same as all year round and as communicated publicly. TNP promised to contact/remind the manager and maintainer about the new regulation.
The regulation, regime and everything about this road were negotiated/aligned by TNP, Directorate and KG municipality. But when it came to collecting money, only the manager and municipality negotiated. KG municipality, according to their statement, doesn't care about road openness in winter (or leaves decisions with responsibility to the maintainer), since they don't collect money then.
And also about the spring regime for those who ski tour. The road will open only when COMPLETELY dry (no snow and no ice). Salting the road is not allowed.
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| bos26. 11. 2024 11:13:25 |
Helmet down, so it suits you. This is like fighting windmills.
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| Gregor_8626. 11. 2024 11:22:23 |
Mako and others who are fighting... all praise
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| skalar5026. 11. 2024 16:54:10 |
"Mako", this story should really find space in one of the national media. You've already done most of the work yourself
(official info from all sides).
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| Janez Seliškar27. 11. 2024 07:08:25 |
"The road will open only when COMPLETELY dry (no snow and no ice). Salting the road is not allowed." In practice this means the road will be closed even after 15.03.2025.
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| dprapr27. 11. 2024 09:13:39 |
It would be interesting to know if the permit for locals and other exceptions is tied to the car's license plate. If not, some will still have an advantage through acquaintances over others who are farther away. Just like it was so far with some barriers.
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| panda27. 11. 2024 10:23:24 |
I'm following the debate on this topic and it doesn't seem to end. ....and nothing will change either. Why doesn't someone file a request for constitutional review of the legality of this decree ?? At least we'll know where we stand. 
Or members at PZS could initiate it. PZS has the backing of us members, and there aren't few of us, right?
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| michael6627. 11. 2024 15:54:28 |
One day someone will fuck up... and smash that barrier. Yeah, you can't go anywhere anymore....
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| andrejp27. 11. 2024 16:36:28 |
I agree with everything you wrote....but just a bit more thinking...this kind of ,,upside down,,
They want fewer tourists, fewer cars, fewer people in Vrata. Sustainability, nature protection, etc. is emphasized a lot....
Yeah, then they should reverse the pricing for access to the valley. 25€ for 1h, 20 for 2h ...etc, those of us who come to the mountains and stay in the valley all day or even a few days, should get the lowest rate. We're sustainability-oriented and don't drive up and down the valley constantly ....I know...illusion but....as for winter, ...instead of talking about plowing and enabling activities in winter too....yeah, closing and disabling....
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| mirank27. 11. 2024 17:54:32 |
They don't want fewer tourists, cars and they don't care about nature protection. It's only about as much cash as possible for them. The saddest thing is that PZS holds the bag wide open for them. Aljaž managed to defend the mountains from the dominance of others with different intentions. Our current ones will succeed in the last one closing the barrier and turning off the light
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| ljubitelj gora28. 11. 2024 10:26:24 |
They manipulate you well, but throw logs at each other and point fingers at others. Here the locals have the biggest influence on the decision, then the municipality and the state. If you're smart, don't spend more money in Kranjska Gora municipality, let the local providers think about their actions. As long as the barrier is down off-season, there will be less visitors too. When they raise it off-season, someone else will come and spend money. You really fall for everything the responsible ones tell you. PZS waste of words, I'm not a member, as if they side with them.
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| gams128. 11. 2024 10:37:48 |
Sadly it's true, it's all about money; PZS unfortunately doesn't do enough for us hikers - and for its members  ; and as they used to say: "gliha vkup štriha"(People with similar (usually bad) traits like to hang out and understand each other well); hopefully it will soon show in the number of mountaineering membership in the future 
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| sla28. 11. 2024 11:08:58 |
The post by ljubitelj gora is hard to read, but he's right - we don't spend a cent in Kranjska Gora municipality, same in PZS huts not a cent.
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| korl28. 11. 2024 11:47:19 |
sla, the problem is you don't even know anymore which huts are PZS today and which are not, or whether societies manage them, or they are rented or have been just mountain taverns for years.
So what will you do when you're hungry and thirsty in front of the door? Probably you won't even enter, because you'll have everything in your backpack, right? But it's already like that now...
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| dprapr28. 11. 2024 12:21:45 |
Matej, didn't you say in the end that this is no solution, that we go elsewhere?
As andrejp wrote, if they really wanted as few cars as possible in the valley, the pricing would be different. And we know that "sustainability and green transition" are just excuses for something else. Something we've already experienced.
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| sla28. 11. 2024 12:50:09 |
korl - for day trips, even if they last up to 14 hours, I always have enough fluids and food in the backpack and don't need huts. Every couple of years I go on a multi-day tour, in that case you can't avoid overnighting in huts.
The problem with all these barriers is that now we'll drive farther to the mountains - to the Western Julian Alps, the Carnic Alps, maybe even to Austria (which I don't like anyway). "Sustainability and green transition" is just a pure scam for the naive.
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