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| ŠpRo2922. 10. 2017 08:06:47 |
Interested in comparison of ferrata with the one at Cjajnik. Especially regarding difficulty.
Thanks.
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| ŠpRo2922. 10. 2017 08:31:46 |
Thanks, I was interested in the difficulty and comparison, nothing else.
One's own muscles everyone knows best what kind he has 
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| dprapr22. 10. 2017 09:58:38 |
And what would a climber's training in a ferrata be?
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| don kihott22. 01. 2018 12:11:07 |
dprapr....best training for ferrata climber is climbing ferratas ...Most important is gradual increase of difficulty!!!
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| palček plezalček22. 01. 2018 12:25:32 |
Don Quixote, your answer does not match dprapra's question. He talks about a climber, you about a ferratist and ferrata climbing.
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| don kihott22. 01. 2018 12:46:43 |
I kinda turned everything upside down(thanks for the correction)... a climber in a via ferrata definitely gains strength, as via ferratas from E rating onwards require at least basics of sport climbing and strong arms
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| janezs7322. 05. 2018 10:06:08 |
I've always climbed Sp. Plot in climbing shoes so far, which of course make the lower slab easier than it otherwise is - there are small horizontal notches in it, where the climbing shoe provides enough support, so the slab isn't that hard... to me anyway the overhang in the middle seems harder than this slab and would deserve E/F rating first... but fact is it's at least pure E and the hardest via ferrata in Slovenia...
you've interested me so much that I have to go back to Sp. Plot asap to check the rating...
Luckily I can compare with harder Austrian via ferratas (for me Geiler Hengst absolutely leads, where D/E rating is too low by at least one grade given the 120m high overhanging pillar)
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| janezs7324. 05. 2018 11:20:52 |
last year I climbed it... I absolutely agree, primoz - in Kaiser Max there's only one serious part (overhang), that requires power
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| don kihott24. 05. 2018 14:45:24 |
That internet list of top 10 hardest isn't quite realistic since (Dopamin???) ended up on it, which I think doesn't even belong in top 20...
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| don kihott24. 05. 2018 16:28:50 |
My opinion...Someone who in such demanding via ferratas stands on extension bolts/anchors or steps on them, or clipped with umbilical slides along the cable hangs on it and then traverses SVK, jams hands etc...etc is in no way up to the rating that the via ferrata he does this in has!!!...I'm not picking on Primož's pics but in general...Like in climbing pulling on quickdraws (A0)...But true, if no other way safety is always first...
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| don kihott24. 05. 2018 20:56:38 |
That E overhang in Sp.Plot somewhere in the middle of the right via ferrata I have the feeling is more artificially made because of the significantly longer extension bolt, which gives the climber, if he hangs on his arms the feeling that he's in overhang.. my opinion
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| dprapr24. 05. 2018 21:15:36 |
Comparing A0 climbing and pulling along via ferratas is really an apt comparison. Don't mix fruits.
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| don kihott24. 05. 2018 21:30:45 |
I believe you're a mountaineer dprapr and this debate about via ferratas is completely out of your context...I get it all, that via ferrata and climbing are two completely different worlds they only share that they take place in the same or at least similar environment...I don't want to mix any fruits but in climbing when something doesn't go you sit in the harness or pull on the quickdraw in via ferrata you just insert the umbilical, step on the anchor bolt...
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| palček plezalček24. 05. 2018 22:01:00 |
Those who climb, sometimes also climb a bit on some via ferrata and therefore know that technical climbing is a bit more complex than the above description. When something doesn't go and you have to the next clipping option or A0, as written above, still solid meters, you could sit just as much as Čop pushed against the fog; in short 'you squeeze or you fail'.
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| don kihott24. 05. 2018 22:16:50 |
You have solid meters in some packed alpinist classic, in crags the bolts are at least approx. 2 meters apart depending on the crag... But there are also those of us who climb via ferratas and sometimes climb a bit on some crag
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| don kihott24. 05. 2018 22:22:16 |
Well, nothing bad, it's right that everyone expresses their opinion...
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| panda25. 05. 2018 07:43:26 |
Many years ago I "climbed" over the via ferrata on Hoher Dachstein. It really wore me out.
Haven't done this one yet, but last year I tried the one at Češka koča. Not comparable. 
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| don kihott25. 05. 2018 09:05:04 |
I assume you climbed Johann and then to Dachstein summit 2995m since Ana below Johann was built if I'm not mistaken around 2010-2011... Ana and Johann and that ferrata to the top make a super via ferrata with 1200m gain... Češka koča... hmmm?... Here they totally missed both route and ratings
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| panda25. 05. 2018 09:51:29 |
donkihott: obviously you didn't understand my message.
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