What's going on with hribi.net?!
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| velkavrh19. 08. 2013 08:25:40 |
JusAvgustin, very welcome, informative contribution! Thanks!
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| Daaam19. 08. 2013 09:18:23 |
Well! If I understand the new topic right, I have one reservation. Starting to add descriptions of real alpinist routes seems a bit nonsensical to me, because the target audience on this forum would shrink to 10 or fewer users. All would probably come off (no offense ) as boasting what all I can climb, of course with 99% of users being ordinary gravel-walkers (gravel-walker: not counting you ) Proverb "Last in town, first in village" would fit well... Of course welcome are descriptions and reports from tours that still somehow move in "range" of users (pathless basically 1 and 2 difficulty, maybe some three in between) but describing climbing routes, I see that as self-promotion and not something that would benefit us, except of course getting to see photos. I like looking at them too, those beyond my abilities. Space for such descriptions can stay on "conditions forum". Once again no offense, with respect to all achievements you achieve up there in the rocks
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| JusAvgustin19. 08. 2013 09:30:38 |
It was meant to add the thing under "path difficulty" among New path descriptions... Paths that everyone can add. OK I understand the message. Also your proverb, which is completely off. Well, no point in dragging it out. Thanks for the opinion
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| garmont19. 08. 2013 09:58:43 |
Juš, I think your idea is very good.
Alpinist routes are very sparsely described in climbing guidebooks (at least to me) and any additional info (and pics) would be more than welcome.
Worry that it would be self-promotion is completely unnecessary, as ascent of nearby hill can be peak of someone's mountaineering career. So, to each his own.
Regards
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| JusAvgustin19. 08. 2013 10:08:37 |
Rokavi, more approaches to Veliki Oltar, Škrlatica, Martuljški Ponci, ridge traverses etc... up to IV. grade (still possible in boots) I have tons of literature and pics. Why not share. It won't be (at least from my side) descriptions like in climbing guidebooks, but Approaches, which are already AS. Once again, under your profile you have option enter mountain and enter path description. There max difficulty was demanding pathless, right not to mislead people. Otherwise I supplemented all descriptions with all notes and exclamation marks. So someone at start knows if it's for him or not. Self-promotion? Far from it. Rather help to others.
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| Loni19. 08. 2013 10:10:31 |
I think those real ones don't need to boast, we more "ordinary" sorts are grateful for every hint.
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| Keko19. 08. 2013 10:31:29 |
I think that a part of the forum that would be more alpinistically colored would be very welcome for quite a few forumers. Among the so-called šodrovci, there are also quite a few who already have or will have alpinistic ambitions in the future, and this part of the forum can be quite a good help and a springboard into slightly more alpinistic waters. Those who aren't interested in alpinism should just avoid these topics and refrain from inappropriate comments and leave that part of the forum to those interested.
I also think this idea is very good and support it without hesitation.
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| Becar19. 08. 2013 10:49:02 |
To me, an ordinary mountaineer, Juš's idea also seems positive and shouldn't be taken as some promotion, since if I understand correctly, anyone can add alpinistic approaches, not just Juš.  Maybe at this moment only a small portion of people will use this part of the descriptions, but that can change, new users will come... Anyway, the forum's diversity would increase and it certainly fits into our mountains better than say, how to get to some bar in Ankaran . That's my opinion and I wish the idea bears fruit. Lp
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| JusAvgustin19. 08. 2013 10:54:20 |
You hit the nail on the head! That's the purpose. The fruit is already sprouting!
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| Daaam19. 08. 2013 11:22:44 |
Sorry.. wasn't meant to start a bitter debate.. As I wrote "if I understand the topic correctly". .. I have nothing against descriptions for harder pathless routes that can reach difficulties of 1,2 or even 3 grade- I'm even glad for them because I also draw info from there, but I understood that climbing routes would be described. By that I mean we'll get descriptions of various "ašotov" "čopa", rock climbing etc etc etc.. which is probably beyond the reach of 99.8% of forumers ..But, of course we all shape the forum, so no need to pay too much attention to my opinion
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| jedriličar19. 08. 2013 11:28:26 |
Juš, I think the idea is excellent (I'll write in Croatian, hopefully he won't mind) ... If someone wants to see it as self-promotion, their problem, let them skip such descriptions. Just like I and most skip questions like: which path is harder to Triglav, bla, bla ... because people don't want to browse a little back through pictures and comments. Anyway, alpinistic descriptions are missing, and what's in guidebooks is so sparsely described that sometimes I wouldn't dare enter a route based on them, so as far as I'm concerned every description is welcome, you have my full support, just keep going ...
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| JusAvgustin19. 08. 2013 12:11:44 |
Description of Veliki Oltar via NW ridge is done, awaiting admin approval... That's the kind of things I had in mind, not various fives etc...
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| Daaam19. 08. 2013 12:16:02 |
With Juš via ZS we've clarified what everyone meant. The matter is settled so further debate on "my provocation" is unnecessary
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| urbancek19. 08. 2013 14:36:18 |
offtopic:
I really don't understand who and why came after me with this "moving" of my posts, which by the way are written in the right topics. But having 5, 10 or more threads open for one mountain doesn't bother anyone? If you're already playing at some order, then be consistent and let the same rules apply to everyone. The mess in the "current conditions" forum is such that you could really clean in front of your own door before going after others. Anyone who plays a bit with the search function can see that.
Here's something else to read, since apparently no one noticed: click
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| JusAvgustin19. 08. 2013 15:03:51 |
There would be even much bigger chaos if some didn't "nag" that a certain topic already exists, so you have my full support in nagging. But know that no matter what, it won't ever please or be right for everyone. Get used to that as quickly as possible so you won't end up disappointed like I was. But you get used to that too...
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| urbancek19. 08. 2013 15:19:44 |
Of course Juš, that not everything will be to everyone's liking is crystal clear to me. I don't even want to achieve that.
I just wish that at least the administration and Igor Zlodej (who, based on happenings in certain topics, is obviously also part of the administration, I don't know..) apply the same standards to everyone regarding topics in the "Current conditions" forum. Not that they move a topic for some individual that is NOT duplicated and contains the name of a specific peak, while on the other side those same people allow 5 or even more open duplicated topics for some other peak. Then you wonder where the principle is...
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| korl19. 08. 2013 17:01:21 |
Ah, you know urbanček, this is so that some can say - I have a hundred open topics, you won't ever have that many!!!
you're correctly observing, the criteria aren't the same for everyone
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| ljubitelj gora24. 08. 2013 19:21:18 |
I've been on the portal for a long time, following forum conditions and already in the past alpinistic ascents appeared under forum conditions, anyway hribi.net is no longer just a hiking portal, but also more. Juš I know you personally, I know exactly what you want and where you're at. But I'd have some remarks on these descriptions, under recommended gear there should also be rope, reverso, harness etc and at the bottom a warning that such an ascent is suitable only for skilled ones who know how to use alpinistic gear or they should go on such a route only with a mountain guide. Why, because this portal is mostly hiking and warnings simply have to be there, if I added such a warning somewhere at some AO say Matica, Radovljica I'd make a fool of myself. My opinion
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| Zebdi25. 08. 2013 00:11:26 |
Why reverso as mandatory gear?
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| JusAvgustin25. 08. 2013 09:02:35 |
The categorization of the ascent already says it all. It's also written in the note at the end, if you read to the end you might see... And you don't know me even approximately much less where I am...
Three ascents are already under route descriptions, just for tasting. We'll know exactly only when someone actually repeats. Nice day, even though it's raining!
Juš
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