What's going on with hribi.net?!
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| panda25. 08. 2013 11:07:38 |
You are unbelievable. Everyone wants the last word. I welcome Primož's proposal: shake hands mountaineer-style... and everyone stays with their opinion.
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| klemen8525. 08. 2013 14:52:09 |
All praise to the website administrators for introducing the new difficulty category, especially to Juš. As a portal user, I find the idea of descriptions of (easier) alpinistic ascents up to grade IV very welcome and useful.
My comments and suggestions below are written from the perspective of someone interested in (more or less equipped) routes up to III, at most IV. Someone without ambitions for harder alpinistic feats and hammering pitons, but someone who occasionally steps from hiking level to somewhat more demanding mountaineering. I mean also someone who may not have all pieces of various alpinistic gear. So I imagine I'm writing on behalf of the majority who might be interested in the new difficulty category.
1. As someone before me suggested, pictorial material would benefit from a picture with an approximate route drawing, or route sketch on some (orientationally) harder section. This mainly for cases where the route is harder to describe in words or can be unclear.
2. Among recommended gear (in general overview) I'd suggest noting if rope is recommended (in description data if it's mainly for belaying and/or descent; possibly also recommended rope length) and info if any special gear piece is recommended (e.g. accessory cords for stations, approx. number of sets, some nut-hex, cam, natural protection options etc.). Mentioning headlamp doesn't hurt (it should be basic hiking gear), but I'd say info on rope and other additional gear is more important here.
3. In route description, special emphasis on info about existing route equipment (e.g. pitons, concrete rings for stations etc.). For Veliki Oltar description (via NW ridge) the data seem detailed enough, where with the note added in the last sentence "The route is well equipped" I imagine there's occasionally an old piton or natural protection option allowing (relatively) safe ascent – so in principle I can go there without nuts and cams (again – I'm interested in info from hiker's/mountaineer's eyes, not some experienced alpinist with full "combat gear" for whom belaying on III seems maybe even unnecessary).
4. Under the description, info on when the ascent was done would be welcome.
Please understand my comments as well-intentioned and positive criticism or user opinion who wants to contribute to even better and more user-friendly use of hribi.net portal for average users. Once again all praise to website admins and all those who with route descriptions, conditions and other comments contribute to portal quality, safety, development of hiking culture and more.
Safe steps and nice mountaineering greetings!
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| BibaS25. 08. 2013 15:06:24 |
Super! I welcome the idea...
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| JusAvgustin25. 08. 2013 18:50:49 |
Noted. Thanks for the encouraging words and suggestions!
Juš
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| dprapr25. 08. 2013 19:44:17 |
http://www2.arnes.si/~mcuder/
This site has quality descriptions of practically everything Klemen suggested. Descriptions are very objective, precise and take us to almost all two-thousanders in Slovenia.
Of course this doesn't mean new descriptions aren't welcome, especially those with photo material and descriptions of "routes" that some still jealously hide. And descriptions of current conditions, which also change over years. Especially on more popular peaks there's more equipped accesses, better trodden paths and sometimes also cairns or route markers.
Anyway praise to Juš for the effort he puts into descriptions, even if some duplicate already published literature.
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| tones15. 01. 2014 22:06:37 |
One question for the administrator:
How does one search for the latest posted topics in the foreign forum? I can't find it, as I have to browse practically all forums to get to what I want. Am I the only one so clumsy or is this really not solved more practically?
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| Rok16. 01. 2014 01:24:52 |
Within mountain ranges on the forum, topics are sorted by date of last post. Same for foreign ranges as for Slovenian ones.
I'll check what can be done to make it more practical.
What was last posted can be seen on the front page. It's not separated by foreign and Slovenia.
Regards Rok
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| smatjaz16. 01. 2014 19:25:23 |
Rok, maybe the mountain list system, with latest posts still hanging on the front page as before.
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| VanSims16. 01. 2014 19:37:24 |
Yes, the search engine doesn't search for mountains in the foreign forums either.
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| tones17. 01. 2014 22:51:13 |
Probably the biggest issue is that some mountain groups on the forum are listed in two countries (Karavanke, KSA, JA, Karnijci). So the search loops in a vicious circle and tosses you up and down the forum. Shame, probably with clearer structure there'd be more entries.
Maybe it could be simply solved by registering each mountain group in only one country. It's really nonsensical to search e.g. ascents from the north to Stol in abroad, those are Karavanke after all. Same for Julijce, for KSA especially. For Karnijci Alps it's more sensible in my opinion to find them in Italy, where most of the range lies, though ascents from Zilja valley on Austrian side.
Surely many other solutions, just something needs to be done.
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| VanSims18. 01. 2014 11:38:57 |
That's not true! Stol is a mountain in the border Karawanks and it finds quite a few links for me, while High Tauern are undisputedly Austrian and it finds nothing for Ankogel.
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| sirt120. 01. 2014 08:30:35 |
It finds Ankogel for me both on the mountain list and on webcams!
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| VanSims20. 01. 2014 22:50:28 |
Yes it finds it there for me too, but it's about the "Current conditions" forum. There it doesn't find foreign mountains.
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| tones21. 01. 2014 22:14:14 |
This bugs me, if it wasn't clear: I go to Current conditions and click Foreign forum. There it says last message 20.1.2014. It opens Austria, Croatia, Italy, Slovenia (hm, foreign?) and Other countries. But nowhere among them do I find the last message from 20.1. For the first four the last message is from 21.1. at 21:30. For Other countries it's listed as 30.11.2013. If I then click e.g. Croatia, I get all Croatian ranges and also Other countries. When I click Other countries, I'm already in a loop. So where do I find that message from 20.1.? Then I blindly try my luck clicking around the forum where it might be. Total mess. Really needs admin intervention.
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| sirt122. 01. 2014 09:45:39 |
Ankogel is also on current conditions, just the last entry is more than 4 months back (16.9.13.)
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| JusAvgustin23. 01. 2014 11:58:56 |
The forum is us users and not him as an individual. I believe none of us wants H to turn into an ordinary scrap like forums on other topics soon will. For me that's not dictatorship but just preventing unpleasant situations. I see it that way. Anyway there's no recipe to please everyone. But to some extent I agree with you that it would be smart to keep some comments, even if not to support and defend opinions that are expressed. But I agree with admin that insults, threats and other nonsense are deleted.
Your last sentence Okmodko is completely unnecessary, because hribi.net isn't read by just 200 people. I've always been against censorship too but what was sent to me on ZS (comment on the topic) exceeds any tolerance. Deleting just prevents the flame from flaring up to epic (idiotic) proportions.
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| Mako23. 01. 2014 12:08:52 |
Why was the polemic about this object deleted. There really were some inappropriate responses (personal disqualifications), but normal critical views are probably not problematic.
Majda's entry remains, where AŽ complains that vandals were destroying his bivouac. Nothing remains about AŽ's arbitrariness. Perhaps the moderator could note why everything was deleted.
If someone gets upset that they're destroying his bivouac, he must also swallow criticism on his own account if he's destroying cultural heritage.
Please the moderator for a public response.
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| Tadej23. 01. 2014 12:11:40 |
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| CarpeDiem24723. 01. 2014 12:12:06 |
Too much censorship is not okay and it can remind us of times ......
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| Daaam23. 01. 2014 12:14:44 |
Tadej can own the forum, since he (together with Rok, if I remember right) built it up.. If you don't like it just don't read the forum..nobody forces you... I also don't follow 24 kur etc because the commenting level there is something I think nobody wants here.. And on some "even more special" forum the admin is even stricter... and that's right if you don't want a junk forum.
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