What's going on with hribi.net?!
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| IgorZlodej12. 08. 2014 16:06:01 |
Apparently @keko changed his post while I was preparing this message.
I think it was the other way around.
*Based on these two conclusions, PZS later issued an internal circular or Instruction to PZS bodies and officials and the PZS professional service, and sent it to all presidents and leaders of PZS commissions and committees. With it they emphasized that the words »gornik« and »gorništvo« are not (anymore) allowed within PZS.*
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| Keko12. 08. 2014 16:27:29 |
I did change the post because I accidentally swapped the words and wrote nonsense.
Sorry.
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| lynx12. 08. 2014 17:33:24 |
Yeah, the portal should also be renamed to orografija.net or even topografija.net, since hills and mountains are described too. 
Otherwise fine, now everyone can create their own reality bubble here too.
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| VanSims12. 08. 2014 18:45:56 |
As far as I'm concerned I'm a gornik and NOT a planinec. I visit mountains after all. Occasionally I do cross some highland, stop maybe at some local highland hut,... but otherwise mountains are my primary goal.
But to the highlands you go south of the Kolpa, since 1945 unfortunately also here and instead of starting to go to mountains again with independence, we still go 'to the highlands'.  
And let PZS say what it wants. You can see that former comrades still rule there too!
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| miri12. 08. 2014 20:08:08 |
@VanSims, can you explain the meaning of the word "comrade"? When you get it, use it, otherwise find another one.
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| Daaam12. 08. 2014 20:24:00 |
Am I the only one who doesn't get how anyone can get upset and nervous if not properly called/addressed as a planinec or gornik... You're not at the top or in the valley five minutes earlier, nor do you enjoy nature any more if it says mountain goat across your whole back, mountain billy goat and even if you're the great-grandson of Tožbar/Mota and similar hook-men it doesn't help you at all... If PZS is already banning certain word usage, then I'm waiting for them to tell us which tea can be brewed in the hut (probably only Planinski?) ..As for the currently very hot neighboring debate (Slo. route Triglav) I can only roll my eyes at length... The situation in Slovenia is a mirror of us and our society. It's not always only everyone else who's guilty.
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| pinkerton12. 08. 2014 20:32:16 |
Mountains were produced for us before '45, I think, this is the legacy of the Pan-Slavic idea from the time when we were thrashing Germans and grouping together in the kingdom with Serbs and Croats!
Now no one will change the name after 100 years, but it's definitely not as it should be.
If it is, then let Bojč Pollak answer just one question: why do all other associations of Alpine countries call themselves alpine, alpin, alpino, alpen-association, in short alpine/alpine association, only among Slovenes did the bulls prefer to include their calves in mountains, where there is more pasture than rocks and we got only the mountaineering association?
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| pinkerton13. 08. 2014 07:20:52 |
Of course it's all about understanding.
If you translate mountain as mountain pasture, you've already failed at the start. Sometimes it's more sensible to investigate the meaning of the word root than to google across half the world. Because if you want to make Kamnik mountains out of K-S Alps at any cost, you will. In this naming we are similar only to southern neighbors because of common history.
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| Keko13. 08. 2014 09:37:04 |
Now we just need to find someone who will propose renaming Gorenjska to Planinenjska.
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| SunBurned13. 08. 2014 09:42:52 |
I like the word hribolazec though. Hills because we don't always go to the highest mountains. With "laziti" we give a bit of humorous/self-ironic touch, which is also good. After all, we have to admit that we are engaged in an extremely meaningless activity (half a day we crawl somewhere up, the other half somewhere down, summa summarum we haven't done anything :-) ).
Gornik is too serious an expression for me.
Planinec is also a nice word, although semantically really off the mark because of Croatian. But because of that my "Slovenianness" really doesn't feel threatened.
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| urbancek13. 08. 2014 09:54:47 |
I always understood it somehow like this, that gornik is a somewhat more advanced planinec. That means he walks on more demanding paths or off-trails, that he uses and knows the basics of using securing equipment and other technical equipment. That he masters various off-trail or unmarked approaches and say climbing grade II without protection etc. I had no problems with these two words. And in the future I will also use the word gornik. Lp!
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| JusAvgustin13. 08. 2014 10:13:06 |
Then the only sense of this activity is beer after the tour... What all do we do for one beer, huh?
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| ljubitelj gora13. 08. 2014 10:43:05 |
Urbanček, and why should someone master all that? You go to mountains for yourself, because mountains lure you to them or for others to show yourself in some light you are, what all you master, can do, and who cares at all how many hours someone walks up... many things in life are wrong, from cooking food, sleeping on bad mattress, to breathing city air, from diet full of E's to neglecting home eco food, but that doesn't bother anyone. Yeah, the sense is in this beer after tour, obviously, because it tastes so good.
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| SunBurned13. 08. 2014 11:55:12 |
JusAvgustin, you have to take it a bit as a joke, come on
Otherwise, beer from home fridge really never tastes as good to me as that one in the inn under the hill, from which I just climbed down.
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| jani5813. 08. 2014 12:17:17 |
For some, tea and juice are good; important that we are in good mood
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| GregorC13. 08. 2014 13:30:06 |
Matej, maybe someone should master such things primarily for (one's own) safety? If you think that you master such things only to show off with them in front of others, then I really don't know what to think. Equipment, if you don't know how to use it properly, is worth nothing.
As far as I'm concerned regarding terms, I don't care at all what PZS says. I can be planinec, gornik, šodrovc, pohodnik or hribovc. I go to mountains, hills, to pastures and I really don't feel like bothering with what title I would call myself.
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| dprapr13. 08. 2014 14:17:20 |
Exactly so, GregorC!
Up there there should be only good people, ready at any moment to help anyone, greet each other, chat friendly, advise as desired.
And it still holds that in the mountains we all use informal 'you'. So if we go beyond this basic etiquette, why should it matter then how someone calls themselves. If some organization wants to divide us into right and wrong ones with this, I think it won't succeed.
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| Žiga2213. 08. 2014 14:53:17 |
(Pardon, only later, after posting the text below) I saw that the debate is about unofficial titles gornik/hribovc/planinec/... and not professional titles. I'll leave the piece anyway, because I think it has some sense in the debate  )
I think the title still counts for something, especially when things get tough or you're dealing with complete strangers.
Chatting itself is fine, but when shit hits the fan, you have to act and not shit around, that's when qualifications and knowledge come into play.
In critical situations when there's no time for debate, by naming the title (trainee, alpinist, instructor, guide, rescue team,..), a person indirectly conveys in one or two words what knowledge and experience they have, without wasting time, so you can quickly figure out who's the most experienced in the group, divide tasks and start acting.
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| panda13. 08. 2014 15:59:37 |
still waiting for korla and little mushroom hunter (all one and the same person besides the already known - lg and žiga22).
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| mukl14. 08. 2014 08:02:18 |
What sick comments, mountains, hills, highlands....., someone writes there that highlands are from Kolpa downwards, probably still has milk nicely around the mouth, and what about that: "back to the mountaineering paradise...", is that southern or what? 
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