What's going on with hribi.net?!
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| Sini21. 08. 2016 11:05:13 |
For all hikers used to routes in the "very difficult marked path" range: Jezerka Kočna via Kremžarjeva is wonderfully done, not too demanding, properly secured and interesting! You need a helmet and caution - that's always necessary anyway, plus a big mountaineer's heart for all that Kočna offers. Good luck everyone!
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| Janez Seliškar21. 08. 2016 12:59:12 |
"Sini", You quote the path difficulty "very demanding marked path", next moment you say it's not too demanding. Don't mislead, this path is very demanding.
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| Sini21. 08. 2016 14:51:53 |
In the intro I addressed hikers used to paths in this range. Otherwise I somehow expected to hear from them. That's how it is on hribi.net. Good luck all!
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| redbull21. 08. 2016 15:21:17 |
From experienced ones you can expect only nagging, don't blame them 
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| Janez Seliškar21. 08. 2016 17:05:20 |
Path difficulty has no connection with the experience of the mountaineer heading out. If you knew what would follow, your post was unnecessary and causes only confusion on the portal.
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| onsight22. 08. 2016 19:10:50 |
Sini's recommendation is at least to me (and I think to all normal users here) fully understandable and doesn't need stupid nitpicking on words and phrases. As for misleading... no, there's none in that writing anywhere. But there is in the sentence that path difficulty has no connection with the mountaineer's experience. Luckily most normal users will ignore it again, just like they probably overlook most of the useless smart-assing from those who can't wait for someone (not in the holy circle of chosen ones) to write their own experience and opinion so they can pounce and shit the forum with dumb comments. Not so much the forum, you shit and spit on harmless posts only and exclusively to see your name next to a pile of crap to feel alive and important. But to most normal users you're just pathetic, you get on their nerves badly, most "important" is that to anyone seeking useful info on this forum you offer only a load of unnecessary ballast and teasing. That's about how some post is unnecessary and causes confusion. But your thing that obviously some inexperienced can go on very demanding unmarked pathless terrain... is that normal advice for you, stupid fool? Path difficulty has no connection with the mountaineer's experience. I'm fed up with you, dumb blowhards. No wonder the same names repeat on the forum... with so many users? Who else will post if you spit on everything right away, whether it's spit-worthy or not, just to start another dick-measuring contest. Now... the administrator... finally someone unimportant whom you can ban for inappropriate behavior. Damn, I'll freak out! What a fine company you are.
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| ločanka22. 08. 2016 19:24:35 |
I'm also on Sini's side, her comment is completely on point. Some people just because of a few more experiences feel elevated above others and think they can lecture on every post!
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| Branee22. 08. 2016 20:36:43 |
Onsight and all other participants in the debate together don't have Seliskar's experiences. Grega, no, you see respect for fellow people.
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| Viper22. 08. 2016 21:05:56 |
Janez Seliškar How come the path's difficulty has nothing to do with the mountaineer's experience?
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| Branee22. 08. 2016 21:14:14 |
What he wanted to write is that the path's difficulty doesn't change even if you're Messner or Janez from the mountains. Only your personal experience is different..
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| Viper22. 08. 2016 21:16:57 |
Branee 
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| viharnik22. 08. 2016 21:18:19 |
I've walked Kremžar several times already. The path is naturally very nicely routed and on steeper sections also very well protected. In winter this ascent due to drifted snow, shady-sunny sections and completely different slopes when belays are under deep snow, already borders on semi-alpine activity. In summer however I think the ascent via Bivak in Kočna is incomparably more exposed with scree under Kokrska Kočna. Of course both ascents are not suitable for mid-mountain hikers who never walked protected high-mountain paths.
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| grega_z_brega22. 08. 2016 21:21:31 |
Sini also wanted to say just that, that the path is one of the easier in its grade, and there had to be shitting over it. Don't you have toilets at home?
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| Branee22. 08. 2016 21:23:10 |
Well, let me explain although it's completely logical.. so persons A and B go via Hanz's to mm. Both have walked an equally difficult path. The path's difficulty hasn't changed
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| Viper22. 08. 2016 21:25:30 |
Branee, you're writing something else that I posted, what Janez wrote. Otherwise it's pointless chirping here with you
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| Trobec22. 08. 2016 21:26:47 |
What did Sini write wrong? This ZZ route really isn't as demanding as some others that are still ZZ. Among ZZ routes, realistically speaking, there are quite big differences. And given that route difficulty isn't entirely absolute but usually a subjective assessment by someone (or several), the mountaineer's experience naturally plays a big role.
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| Branee22. 08. 2016 21:27:35 |
I just understood his writing that way, because it's logical if you're talking about what he wrote in the first post
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| Viper22. 08. 2016 21:28:27 |
Branee, I'm looking at the second post and the first sentence on page 19
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