What's going on with hribi.net?!
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| grega_z_brega22. 08. 2016 21:30:26 |
That's certainly true.
But I'll point out the problem.
The route is marked very difficult, whether it has 1m of cables you don't even need to touch or 1km that you cling to. A lot could be done here, that's misleading.
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| Branee22. 08. 2016 21:33:07 |
Yeah he's talking about the same That route difficulty has nothing to do with the mountaineer, because the route is declared as it is, doesn't matter if you're an alpinist or average hiker.
The words are:
Janez Seliškar 21.8.2016 Route difficulty has no connection whatsoever with the experience of the mountaineer who sets out on the route.
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| viharnik22. 08. 2016 21:33:11 |
Brane is completely right, because the route is actually whatever it is, we just experience it each in our own way, but I think the rating of route difficulty is quite standardized by experienced mountaineers to whom such terrain is not foreign. Bigger disagreements on route difficulty arise between hikers of normal paths and mountaineers, so don't make a mountain out of a molehill. Whoever has never walked secured routes we already hope knows what awaits him. Not exactly the path to Šmarna gora.
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| Viper22. 08. 2016 21:36:41 |
But how can route difficulty have nothing to do with the mountaineer, since every person knows exactly what they're capable of. And no person will go on a route that's too demanding for them, so how come route difficulty has nothing to do with it
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| grega_z_brega22. 08. 2016 21:37:04 |
It would be necessary to break down that route a bit.
I don't know exactly how, just what's there isn't exactly optimal.
Maybe into fitness and technical difficulty and exposure, with ratings from 1-5
That all sorts of pears in one basket and all sorts of apples in another doesn't really tell you what you'll bite into. 
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| Branee22. 08. 2016 21:39:04 |
Viper, of course, there are practically daily rescues of mountaineers who aren't ripe for the route they set out on..
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| jax22. 08. 2016 21:42:59 |
@viharnik
Bigger discrepancies about trail difficulty arise between hikers of usual trails and mountaineers,
Hikers of usual trails? What a high-flying concept is that now?
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| Viper22. 08. 2016 21:42:59 |
Branee, now we've already ended up at rescuing mountaineers 
There are definitely those who overestimate their abilities
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| viharnik22. 08. 2016 21:46:07 |
Well written, Trobec
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| grega_z_brega22. 08. 2016 21:50:46 |
Need to open a thread on trail ratings, and move this.
It's a pity about Kočne
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| viharnik22. 08. 2016 21:50:50 |
For example, a hiker comes to Luknja, via Bamberg to Triglav a mountaineer, via Dolga Nemška an alpinist; that's roughly how trails go selectively in the mountains.
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| Keko22. 08. 2016 22:19:29 |
Every person experiences the difficulty of hiking trails differently. If one person rated the difficulty of all trails, comparison between trails based on rating could be more relevant. But since probably quite a few people gave trail ratings, the difficulty ratings also reflect individuals who perceived those trails differently. A nice example is in alpinism. The one who goes to climb Knez's four will quickly hang if they actually can't climb a six.
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| SamoK22. 08. 2016 22:24:21 |
In alpinism grades are much more uniform than descriptive levels of hiking trails. Keko, Knez's grades were always an exception, that's why "frančkova" was usually added.
Otherwise grega already wrote clearly: "very difficult" describes trails with cables. What that means in reality depends, of course, on the individual's abilities and readiness.
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| Keko22. 08. 2016 22:34:08 |
Well, cables can be found on easy trails too, plenty on harder ones, so that's not really a measure of difficulty.
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| grega_z_brega22. 08. 2016 22:36:19 |
OK, here's an example:
The trail via Gamsov skret and via Plemenice are not equally difficult, even though it says so.
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| Keko22. 08. 2016 23:01:24 |
I think these issues have been debated quite a lot already. With three ratings available, it is really hard to define difficulty and it is completely normal that within the same difficulty class there are already quite big differences between the lower and upper limit. There is already a fourth rating "extremely difficult trail", which is mainly reserved for hard via ferratas that have only appeared recently here. Especially with via ferratas you see how outdated and unsuitable our difficulty categorization system is. For all via ferratas here there is only one rating. If Austrian ratings A, B, C... did not appear in descriptions, we would not even know what really awaits us on such a via ferrata.
It would already be time to adapt the categorization to today's conditions and needs or simply officially adopt the Austrian difficulty categorization system, at least for extremely difficult trails - via ferratas.
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| grega_z_brega22. 08. 2016 23:13:38 |
Let's call Tadej here to enable users to rate paths. Fitness, technical, 5 stars....
It shouldn't be a problem. It would be good orientation.
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| SamoK22. 08. 2016 23:29:57 |
Not a bad idea.
It would be good to select some well-known paths for standards of different ratings at the start, otherwise there will be confusion quickly.
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| grega_z_brega22. 08. 2016 23:43:59 |
Yes, maybe enable it experimentally on some popular ones, which the editor sees anyway from page visits.
And the more votes, the more realistic the rating.
Also the number of votes should be displayed, to better assess the realism of the rating....
I don't know, I've been thinking about this for about a year
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| Trobec22. 08. 2016 23:56:51 |
Good suggestion. But there should already be some basis ("guideline") at the start, what 1 star means, what 5, because otherwise it can happen that someone rates Grintovec as 5 stars fitness-wise, someone else thinks there are no such peaks here at all.
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