What's going on with hribi.net?!
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| grega_z_brega23. 08. 2016 00:04:45 |
Give instructions to the people, then as I said, more votes, more realistic rating, that's how databases work. 
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| Keko23. 08. 2016 00:13:53 |
At the end of each path description there could be some categories. For example: difficulty, exposure, equipment ...
Next to each category 10 stars (like once under pictures). Mark a star from 1 to 10 according to your own judgment. Average ratings with sufficient participants would give a fairly realistic rating per category. Maybe exclude 10 or 20% of the most deviant ratings to eliminate speculators.
This would add some interest to the forum.
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| grega_z_brega23. 08. 2016 00:17:27 |
Something like that, yes...
Not just to gain interest, but also value.
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| viharnik23. 08. 2016 06:17:36 |
The rating of path difficulty can only be officially given by the mountain commission, which knows well comparatively and evaluates also protected paths outside our borders, since we record a considerable number of foreign mountaineers here. Such an evaluated system could actually reduce the number of mountain accidents percentage-wise and consequently also the number of rescues.
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| Branee23. 08. 2016 06:56:55 |
It's all already done, the system isn't ideal but it works. Tours are always taken with a thick reserve and I stick to that myself. Meaning when climbing I never choose grades that are the top of my abilities, because they vary with the situation that nature offers us. Meaning factors like slippery rocks etc. These are things people don't consider on via ferratas and other demanding paths. For beginners it would be welcome if ratings were given like in e.g. Masere guide, Dolomites, dream mountains, where via ferrata has rating from 1 to 6 and dots for path strain (fitness); if we adopted this system, it would be much better..
The problem is just that quite a few people don't prepare for tours at all
Otherwise though:
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| Janez Seliškar23. 08. 2016 07:36:25 |
A lot written, little said.
Hiking paths in RS are categorized as stated:
"Hiking paths are classified into the following categories based on technical difficulty of use:
1. easy hiking paths,
2. demanding hiking paths and
3. very demanding hiking paths."
The path is as difficult as it is. How an individual experiences it depends on his abilities and preparation for the tour. An individual's opinion on the path's difficulty is his subjective rating.
Many would benefit from reading some information on hiking paths at the link:
http://www.pzs.si/vsebina.php?pid=57
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| Sini23. 08. 2016 08:16:22 |
Yes, there was a lot written and little said, you are to blame: Janez Seliškar, Branee and the like.
This forum has hundreds of individual opinions. I also have the right to express my opinion and I will. Always! So let Janez Seliškar keep watching me closely.
I often read when someone doesn't want to stay on this forum anymore and says they'll log off and such. Exactly because of Seliškar & comp. But I won't log off. If you delete me, I'll come back, no worries.
So once again (and if needed, a hundred times): "For all hikers used to paths in the range of 'very demanding marked path': Jezerka Kočna via Kremžarjeva is wonderfully done, not too demanding, just right secured and interesting path! You need a helmet and caution - which is always needed anyway, and a big mountaineering heart for everything Kočna offers you. Good luck everyone!"
There! Not Janez Seliškar's opinion, but mine.
Oh, and my humble suggestion: If you can't voice an opinion, describe your experience, then leave only path descriptions on hribi.net, delete the commenting option. Because just as Seliškar has a hard time reading me, I have a hard time reading him.
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| planika8223. 08. 2016 09:10:46 |
I think Sini's comment is completely appropriate. She accurately wrote that the path is not too demanding "For all hikers used to paths in the range of very demanding marked path". So it's not the most demanding in the very demanding group. That means the path is very demanding, but in that range there are others that are harder. Really no need for so much negativity and bad mood because of a completely well-intentioned and welcome comment. Even if someone disagrees with something, it can be said in a completely constructive and cultured way, not with attacks and sometimes even insults.
The comment in question was completely understandable and appropriate to me. Besides, I fully agree with the description, as I experienced it that way myself.
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| Tadej23. 08. 2016 10:09:51 |
Thanks for the suggestions. I agree that in difficulty "easy marked path" not all are equally easy, or at the harder ones equally difficult.
My suggestion is to keep the difficulty as it is, but add stars for difficulty within that range to each.
Example: Vršič - Poštarski dom (easy path) = 1 star (meaning very easy)
Kamniška Bistrica - Kamniško sedlo (easy path) = 2 stars (meaning easy path)
Kamniška Bistrica - Kokrsko sedlo (easy path) = 3 stars (meaning less easy, but still keeps the label that it's an easy path)
Same would be for partially demanding, demanding, very demanding...
Then difficulty of orientation would be added...
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| smatjaz23. 08. 2016 10:52:39 |
Tadej, this kind of marking seems super to me too, since on the Hribi.net website it's not about some template rules dictated by PZS or international mountaineering organization, but about information we need for trip planning. It's true that path categorization from the side of an experienced mountaineer with mileage and a beginner is completely different, but let's try to get some average from the info. Those with mileage should be a bit "quieter" about a path being demanding, even if it doesn't seem so to us, because for some it's much harder than for us, either fitness-wise or technically..... guys and girls, have you forgotten your beginnings???? Tadej, regarding the fact that I add quite a few tracks to this site, I miss a field for entering conditions on the trip which are very important and trips differ greatly because of them (dry - winter), both in length and direction. Now I solve this by entering under comment, but it would be advisable to open an input field, as I've come across winter trips that differ greatly from dry ones and are seriously dangerous in certain sections for dry conditions.
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| radagremvhribe23. 08. 2016 12:32:44 |
but to me the mentioned paths, Kokrško sedlo, Kamniško sedlo etc., don't seem easy, I'd describe them e.g. as paths that mostly steeply ascend, otherwise without specialties, can be narrow paths covered with scree or wide cart track, e.g. to Višarje, maybe a bit broader description, easy paths are in my view elsewhere and different
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| Branee23. 08. 2016 12:40:33 |
Well and then you read a comment like radagremvhribe and you can start banging your head against the wall 
And such would give path ratings, who don't even know what the criterion is, horrible
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| turbo23. 08. 2016 13:11:56 |
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| Daaam23. 08. 2016 13:31:53 |
Or if a parliamentary commission is formed  a bit of a joke.. Yeah if all entries need to be clicked then someone or a certain group has a ton of work. Or just next to difficulty add 5 stars for "class" difficulty rating and we'll click by feel at the beginning opinions would probably divide a lot ..but when a certain path has 50 or more clicks on "difficulty" stars I think that would have to be quite a real rating.
Of course define rules clearly. So the path to Kamniško sedlo doesn't really become "hard easy path."
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| miri23. 08. 2016 14:11:29 |
So much literature and data has never been available in human life before. As mukica said, even more confusion.
It's hard to advise a person if you don't know their abilities.
For yourself, "mileage" applies.
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| dprapr23. 08. 2016 14:40:24 |
This will be similar to photo rating, which didn't work out either. Ratings will be subjective, behind them mostly strangers. Who guarantees someone won't deliberately add stars? Or someone who hasn't even walked the path?
Safety in mountains is not for playing.
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| ribnik19. 09. 2016 11:09:01 |
On hribi.net website the link to Najdi search doesn't work. Hope the admins fix the error soon, it's really annoying. Thanks.
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| Tadej19. 09. 2016 11:18:10 |
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