What's going on with hribi.net?!
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| Rok10. 11. 2011 23:59:51 |
Let me say that the comment rating system was introduced experimentally and if it doesn't work out, we'll just abolish it.
Since votes in some cases didn't really reflect message quality, some users could be penalized undeservedly.
That's why I changed the system so that a user is auto-blocked only in extreme cases. Otherwise, the moderator will decide on temporary block, votes just help him have an overview of inappropriate posts and decide on measures more easily.
To avoid unnecessary bad mood, it might make sense that the exact number of pluses and minuses is visible only to moderator.
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| Irina11. 11. 2011 00:54:52 |
The boycott forum message obviously circulated to many addresses, but it's like advertising flyers, near the mailbox there's always a bin where I throw it and don't deal with it anymore.
Regarding rating, it's right to test the option, if it proves good it stays, if not, it can always be removed.
Regarding deleting inappropriate comments, I'd prefer if only content is deleted and replaced with note "deleted due to inappropriateness" or similar. Author of inappropriate writing remains visible. Because if everything is deleted later you can't see who always gets into disputes.
I'd suggest adding comment time next to nickname and date or numbering comments. It happens I want to comment one of the same author's posts, but how to know what I mean to comment if he wrote multiple times same day, same section?
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| sherpa11. 11. 2011 08:51:02 |
Comparison of websites gore-ljudje and hribi.net:
posts, comments...
Hmmm, can that even be compared? 
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| heinz11. 11. 2011 09:09:01 |
Personally I somewhat doubt the usefulness of the novelty, since everyone can add a minus even to a completely innocent trip and conditions report, which might be useful to many. Because if e.g. someone dislikes someone due to personal views on some issue (or due to some PMs), he will do the above out of pure antipathy. Consequence is certainly loss of interest in reporting, or less and less of it.
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| VanSims11. 11. 2011 09:12:22 |
@heinz: That's why Rok suggested that minuses and pluses be visible only to moderator, not publicly. He would be the final instance deciding on block.
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| heinz11. 11. 2011 09:20:44 |
Next to every comment they are quite visible to me at least..
I think the option to express opinion, agreement or disagreement in written-word form is completely correct. Whoever knows why he disagrees with something should be able to explain it.
What I find more important is the fact that some left forum participation exactly because of expressions of disagreement with their views. And now we call them back.. First we drive them away, then cry after them.
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| heinz11. 11. 2011 10:10:47 |
Maja, with the comparison you made at the end you showed how nonsensical the pluses and minuses measure is (by the way: even on Fb there's only the -like- option).
One more thing: some who went quiet didn't do it because they would interpret sharp confrontations only as an attack on their personality, but most often it was precisely the latter. Foušija simply knows no boundaries.
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| Irina11. 11. 2011 10:52:18 |
I perceived those pluses and minuses quite differently. A plus is a kind of praise for a good comment or photo. Whereas, a minus I would give to those whose posts are inappropriate or offensive. Just because I don't think the same or agree with the author or most of them, doesn't mean I have to give them a minus. Why?
After all, we're not all made from the same mold and we don't all think the same. That would be damn boring. We surely know how to talk normally and culturally.
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| VanSims11. 11. 2011 10:52:54 |
@Heinz: That's exactly why Rok suggested hiding pluses and minuses from the public and they would only serve the moderator, who would then have to judge if it's just someone with different views from the majority or actually a provocateur and traitor.
Otherwise, pluses and minuses also get on my nerves on other forums. If someone disagrees, it's easiest to press minus. Clicking with the mouse can be done by every brain-dead idiot, a bit more effort is needed to respond argumentatively to what you disagree with.
@Maja: the problem with good writers who left the forum is that they can't maintain high vibrations (that pervade them when writing posts) even when someone attacks them. Viharnik might know more about that...
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| ljubitelj gora11. 11. 2011 11:35:21 |
My goal is to show photos, add some comment, but I really don't want the forum to become offensive, nagging and unreadable, for every "problem" it's better to turn to ZS. Hoping we understand each other better.
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| peter211. 11. 2011 11:45:12 |
I'll add my own pot too:
After reading the current issue, the comparison with the "competing" website Gore-ljudje quite stung me. Some are upset that the forum there doesn't work. I think the Gore-ljudje site is conceived somewhat differently than Hribi.net. Anyway, it's full of news every day that's somehow related to mountains. That no general debate flares up with every article is somehow even more to my liking than the nonsensical commenting that eventually happens. I myself have posted some things there, unfortunately those posts take a really huge amount of time, so all kudos to those who post there.
Regarding the pluses and minuses you're trialing, I'm skeptical. The other day, just for example, someone wrote that they can hardly wait to head to the mountains this weekend, that they're already packing their backpack etc... And they got a minus (thumbs down) for that. Why? Would it be better if they spent the weekend at home and vent by trashing on the forum?
The forum on Hribi.net has really experienced a lot lately that has nothing to do with conditions in the mountains: insults, belittling, changing names etc... Replace your dissatisfaction with yourself and the obviously too much free time with a walk in nature or a mountain visit. It'll be nicer for all of us. 
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| fjanzeko11. 11. 2011 12:42:08 |
Super forum, all praise. Users are after all everywhere still just people and as such we all have our quirks.
Maybe a suggestion (if it hasn't been already?), to introduce a "report inappropriate content" button instead of minuses, which alerts the moderator. If someone abuses it, just ignore them. Like on mmc for example.
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| heinz11. 11. 2011 14:50:26 |
I join the suggestion by @fjanzeko (report inappropriate content (about which everyone would think a bit differently)), since even in this debate, which is just a basic exchange of opinions, we're already getting some minuses.. What about freedom of speech?
(and another minus will probably fly in)..
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| keber111. 11. 2011 15:33:18 |
Don't worry about the acquired minuses, if the messages are normal, those few minuses that some malicious ones give won't be noticed when allowing writing. But the system is quite good, with it quality reports can somehow be rewarded and noticed faster.
I would maybe also suggest testing a system where such messages are just hidden from all users, besides automatic blocking of writing for users with too many thumbs down, and access to them only with an extra click. Some kind of soft censorship then.
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| serajko11. 11. 2011 17:06:34 |
hi
It's getting warm, not to say hot. I'd add my opinion too. Maybe something like that works but I don't know how to use it.
It would be good if somewhere in the background one could see who the distributors of thumbs down are, then we'd get to know them even better, and they wouldn't hand them out indiscriminately.
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| Mercus11. 11. 2011 17:31:24 |
"ljubitelj gora
11.11.2011 My goal is to show photos, add some comment, but I really don't want the forum to become offensive, nagging and unreadable, for every "problem" it's better to turn to ZS. Hoping we understand each other better."
Come on, please read again what you wrote and study what you've been doing the last couple of months...
Or tell me your definition of private messages?
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| lynx11. 11. 2011 17:41:31 |
serajko: I am one (recognize me?) and you just got a finger pointed at you for inciting. The rating institute must remain legitimate and untainted, otherwise it won't contribute to anything (it's already looking bad).
I'm disappointed because if we can't calm ourselves down, then the administrators really have no choice but to escalate repression.
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| heinz12. 12. 2011 16:12:55 |
I probably won't collaborate anymore with my comments on Hribi.
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| JusAvgustin12. 12. 2011 16:17:20 |
but do you trust me/us with the reason?
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| heinz12. 12. 2011 16:36:44 |
age,... I don't feel like it
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