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| bole31. 01. 2016 16:49:41 |
With some comments here on the forum, someone will take it seriously. So no, stopping with two ice axes is possible only in action movies. When the slope is so steep that two ice axes are needed, only the rope or the valley stops you in the fall. That's why one ice axe is used on easier climbs, to self-arrest in case of a slip - use the pick. The pick at chest height (not 1m above the head, like some do) is stabbed into the snow with full body weight. Other techniques only for sci-fi movies.
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| SamoK31. 01. 2016 16:55:51 |
Bole, all nice and right, but do you seriously think that someone for whom this happens for the first time, in that second when there is still time to stop, will remember these instructions and then do everything correctly?
What I mean is that no advice helps without practice and live guiding!
That's why all advice on this forum is completely useless, even misleading and potentially dangerous.
Whoever (here) asks, don't go to the high mountains in winter, period!
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| JusAvgustin31. 01. 2016 18:36:20 |
"3. most experienced (LG and quite a few others) advocate crampons and two ice axes. For LG such use even saved life." hahahahahahahahahahahahhahaah, come on stop! You didn't fall for it, right?!
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| Irina31. 01. 2016 18:43:25 |
@SamoK,
I don't know which generation of mountaineers you belong to, but nowadays the younger ones socialize less and internet is their source of information.
Between the number of mountain visitors and the number of members/female members of Mountaineering Associations there is a very big gap. In the time when I started going to the mountains I got the only information at the association and at the beginning I didn't venture alone into high mountains. And not even accidentally in winter time. Associations were very active and with a large number of members. For everyone there was a company and a suitable tour. The leader assessed if you are suitable or not for a certain tour. And his was valid.
Within the association various free courses were organized and there we got acquainted with the mountain world, safe walking, behavior in mountains, and all skills that a good mountaineer must master. Everything else came with years and altitude meters, when older ones passed experiences to younger ones.
Today a group often gathers on forum or FB, when not even all know each other, let alone know what experiences and how much fitness the newcomer has. Or they browse web pages, view photos, enthusiastic posts and decide that this isn't so demanding and decide for the tour.
In all areas there are increasingly fewer social contacts and personal gatherings of people who have the same wishes and goals.
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| viharnik31. 01. 2016 20:45:22 |
I agree Irina, that we live in a spiritually completely devalued world, alienated from the joy of own spirit, which confirmed to me also the "leader" of Sahaja yoga in Slovenia. Enlightened was holding the shopping cart and bent over looking seemingly around, more to the ground (with gaze doesn't energetically cleanse the surroundings). I sensed him immediately on Sahasrara and told him: Yes, something lit up. In conversation he said about Slovenia that the state with us is not so, not so, so we are not in prosperity, and if at least spiritual in the other. Also for that I put on that mask myself before, with which I wanted to announce: People, wake up, know yourselves, throw away masks, because behind that evil hides a completely different person. Take yourselves in hand, only so we can defeat evil in this world and all good can realize in a moment in this world. Nothing is impossible, in the power of own spirit hides all weapon to change the world for better.
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| Barentoter1. 02. 2016 12:31:55 |
I'll borrow this whole thread even though it doesn't fit under Brana.
On Saturday, on a steep slope, I did two stopping exercises with ice axes. With one ice axe and with two. The slope was approx. 30-40%, hard frozen snow. With one ice axe I stopped after 10 m of adrenaline-charged sliding, using all the body power I had to drive it into the hard snow, and it stayed there too. Then I also tried with two ice axes (for ice climbing). If I hadn't chosen a suitable exit, it would have ended in rocks or a precipice. I flew downward without control. I didn't have the slightest chance to stop. I wouldn't want to experience such a slip when it's for real. But I'd also add that an ice axe doesn't help if you don't have the leash wrapped around your hand, because it can tear it from your grip.
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| Supersport1. 02. 2016 12:52:07 |
Viharnik... you've obviously lost it a bit... otherwise some of you up here... every winter shining like lightning 
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| viharnik1. 02. 2016 13:14:52 |
People, you live in an imaginary world; only after self-realization does your spirit see things in a completely different light. Just go to a big store, observe people in boutiques, and you can feel that there are no vibrations, pure energies, because people with desires, calculating, and greed create negative fluid there. Maybe already this year with German Sahaja brothers we will make in Lj. a strong Sahaja yoga program. Entry free for all who want to know themselves and identify with universal nature through their own spiritual rebirth  .
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| onsight1. 02. 2016 17:23:52 |
Can I please, on behalf of all users who care even a little about who has the longer one, ask you to move this power and "intelligence" measurement to a special thread and not litter everywhere? Not to mention viharnik!! Doesn't Hribi.net have an administrator? Why is such writing allowed on a forum whose topic is clearly defined? All of you who abuse social networks to impose your faith on others... f**k off in p.m.
And the same goes for all those who allow this. And don't give me shit about freedom of speech and religious expression.
As for the "length" about which you discuss so bitterly... let me summarize if I've understood your bullshit correctly... in winter in the hills, mandatory proper footwear: one foot in a summer boot, the other in winter boot; one foot with crampons, the other not; in the left hand (mandatory left) an ice axe, in the right a hiking pole; besides, it's good to have at least one extra ice axe in the backpack for reserve. For ice axes, they must be the same brand and especially different lengths, to use them alternately depending on the slope or conditions on the path. If something is still unclear, check the Hribi.net forum under "Jebe lud zbunjenog" or any topic; everywhere there are at least two-three pages written about how everyone is right or no one is, or go to a course, or how mileage and experience actually teach you. If everything fails, send a private message to viharnik and ask him; you won't need to go to the hills in winter to kill yourself, you can cut your veins at home behind the screen... and done.
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| lino1. 02. 2016 17:32:01 |
Bojan, clearly and without mincing words you said what forum shouldn't be. You called a spade a spade. Thanks!
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| jax1. 02. 2016 17:34:43 |
onsight
Hats off. One of the better posts lately.
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| SamoK1. 02. 2016 17:48:55 |
Thanks, onsight, for another top-class stupid littering contribution.
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| bostjanp1. 02. 2016 18:13:01 |
Isn't this the thread about winter Brana? Idea: installation of warning signs at starting points Kamn.Bistrica-Okrešelj-Kamniško sedlo-Turska gora, with text that the tour to Brana or similar peaks is at own risk and rescue in case of irresponsible behavior is chargeable. I think we lack paid rescue like abroad. Only with that some order and behavior in mountains is established; and consequently fewer potential passengers on Okrešelj express.
LP
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| risto1. 02. 2016 18:15:29 |
I don't know if I can add anything more "professional"? Advise not to rely on stopping with ice axe and neither on various "spiritual" exercises! Training stopping with ice axe doesn't hurt!
But not police-style on Grintovčeva roof!
Safest is not to fall at all!! Everything else is nonsense! Few can boast they stopped with ice axe! Many more the others!
Two ice axes?? Very quickly you stick one "behind" to have both hands free and wish for a third!
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| Sini1. 02. 2016 18:22:54 |
Omg! They don't stop. Dry training again. Onsight, nothing helps, but thanks anyway.
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| onsight1. 02. 2016 18:30:32 |
Last attempt to return where we should be. Not that I'm really interested because I'm not going up...just for the forum asking for an answer: Has anyone been on Brana in the last days and what are the conditions on the path? Thanks for the answer.
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| SamoK1. 02. 2016 18:32:53 |
Conditions are wintry.
Now stop spamming already.
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