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| Sini1. 02. 2016 18:43:08 |
Stop spamming, the chief garbageman ordered, and I hope at least for today the shift has ended.
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| martin41. 02. 2016 19:27:15 |
admini strator act
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| Viper1. 02. 2016 19:33:17 |
If the last three pages were cleanly and permanently deleted, there would be nothing wrong.
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| ljubitelj gora1. 02. 2016 19:51:30 |
Most often it's the infamous couch* wankers who haven't been to winter Triglav, Jalovec, Kočna yet. And those who are mostly smart turn out to be regular morons on the terrain.
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| Zebdi1. 02. 2016 20:26:00 |
onsight, look, if someone is rambling that it's still not clear to him what gear is suitable for Brana and sets LG as reference, then it's smart to chime in. Ice axe you carry for safety not for comfy walking - trekking poles are better for comfort.
Unless you advocate writing to everyone that winter gear isn't needed at all, then let natural selection do its thing?
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| andrej781. 02. 2016 20:27:39 |
I don't even know why the debate; for Brana one hiking ice axe is fully sufficient...
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| Busterman1. 02. 2016 22:00:02 |
Eh yeah, always the same ones chime in, but nothing smart is said
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| tol1. 02. 2016 22:10:23 |
Hard for me to write among tough guys, but I'll join hoping someone picks something smart from my post.
On Brana in winter conditions 1x with one "mountaineering" ice axe Revaltik Wizard and 1x with mountaineering ice axe R-W and ice tool BD Viper.
1. Conditions ideal for swinging axe. Anyway icy. Then I sometimes wished for another tool in hand. Feeling on pure ice just on crampons pulling ice axe pick from hard ground isn't pleasant. But made summit and back. Careful, focused, one step at a time.
Summit exit nice, unproblematic, a joke with one ice axe.
2. totally different conditions, unconsolidated snow somewhere, scoured to base somewhere, rope remains on ridge. To a certain point ok without ice axe. Summit or ridge exit annoying and problematic, quite annoying and hard with one ice axe. Harder descent.
How many ice axes for Brana?? >>>> depends on conditions!
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| bremzzi1. 02. 2016 22:50:00 |
Everything depends on situation and conditions. Better prevention than cure, so better two for sure than practicing self-arrest on slope with one. On ice arresting impossible anyway, so ensure no slip happens. Better more and not need than none and urgently need.
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| grega_z_brega1. 02. 2016 23:16:43 |
maybe sometimes need to turn at saddle too
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| lino2. 02. 2016 13:06:24 |
Tol - How many ice axes do we need for Brana?? >>>> depends on conditions! What a simple answer, no philosophizing or bullshit. Thanks Tol!
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| Zebdi2. 02. 2016 14:38:26 |
tol, what some want to clarify is this:
- if you slip on frozen (not iced!) ground with one ice axe, you can still stop
- if you slip on the same ground with two ice axes, you almost have no chance to stop
- if you slip on iced ground, I doubt you'll stop - regardless of whether you have one or two ice axes.
I, for example, see no difference between soloing, say, Lucifer or going down an icy slope. Until you fall, everything is OK. Two ice axes enable progress on difficult terrain, but they do not provide safety - that's the key difference. Therefore, I think some people's conclusion is wrong - that two ice axes are "prevention". I would say prevention is a) choosing non-problematic terrain, b) belaying on problematic terrain or c) turning back.
I've also never heard of advising those asking for advice to solo any climbing routes or frozen waterfalls - but we all know it happens. It's just that those who do it don't ask for equipment advice
With this post, I am also withdrawing from this debate. Everyone should judge for themselves what still seems safe to them and, above all, what they are capable of.
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| pantani12. 02. 2016 20:15:17 |
Here, a pic to gnaw the bone on 
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| Irina15. 02. 2016 21:15:20 |
Transcript from the news:
Between the walls of the two-thousander that has already taken 32 lives so far, two trainee alpinists got stuck on Thursday evening.
KAMNIK – Twenty minutes short of ten o'clock on Thursday evening, when the pagers of members of the Kamnik Mountain Rescue Service station rang – they were right in the middle of a club meeting –, saying that two hikers got lost on the descent from the 2253-meter-high Brana towards the Kamniško sedlo, which is about 400 meters lower. »The call from the notification center froze our faces, followed a few minutes of silence, I received short answers to specific short questions. We immediately tried to get the location via smartphone, but unfortunately due to poor data transmission it didn't work.
From the first responses from their side, we learned that everything is fine with them, that they are not ordinary hikers, but trainee alpinists, that they climbed over Šija and can't find the descent path to the saddle,« began Franc Miš, the chief of the Kamnik GRS station and vice-president of the Mountain Rescue Association of Slovenia: »Already during the conversation, I noticed that the girls are mentally strong, they had all the necessary equipment. I gave them instructions to protect themselves from cold and wind and wait for our arrival, not to move, not to look for the descent path themselves, and rather wait for the mountain rescue team that was already heading towards Kamniška Bistrica.«
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| redbull16. 02. 2016 08:03:29 |
Important that everything is OK with them
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| subaru16. 02. 2016 15:58:57 |
Isn't this a bit old news from January 7th? 
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| Supersport16. 02. 2016 16:11:24 |
The lady has a Chinese calendar.
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| SamoK16. 02. 2016 16:14:36 |
The main thing is that we are aware of all the horrors that lurk for us in these insolent mountains.
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| martin416. 02. 2016 16:17:59 |
Alpinists rescued from dangerous Brana in the middle of the night
Published: 14.02.2016 22:00 Updated: 14.02.2016 22:00
Author: Boštjan Fon
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| viharnik16. 02. 2016 16:20:31 |
Mountains are always friendly, we just have to respect them and choose a goal suitable for ourselves.
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