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| _sandra_7. 10. 2019 15:20:30 |
Why didn't you finish the loop at Savica?  The water problem is more of an issue in the summer months, now the air for hiking is already better..
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| ales507. 10. 2019 15:29:52 |
Now the air is still warm, water is in two springs on the way to Skrbina, there are signs, it's ice water, take enough water on the trail and the problem is solved, the lake doesn't dry up, because it's a glacial lake, so the lake doesn't dry up like Cerkniško.
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| ales502. 11. 2019 11:18:35 |
For me personally Batognica is much more interesting than Krn, lots to experience and see, the summit above sands is super too, nice pictures,
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| darinka43. 11. 2019 13:45:53 |
Thanks. When you hike the summits around Krn, there are quite a few of them and the entire ridge from Kala to Krn, you create a picture of what happened here in the First World War. Only in the imagination, we weren't there then and the suffering of innocent soldiers, who were in the war storm then on these positions.
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| ales503. 11. 2019 15:00:48 |
Please, yes everything there from grenades and mines is torn up but you can still see buried shooting trenches, mountain fighting happened, different than in the valley, of course in non-winter time, it was horrible, but not compared to fights in the valley when 40000 Italians fell in 27 days, up here was winter, difficult terrain, everything covered with bodies wherever you step, of course Batognica and to the sands, and mine war for dominance of the mountain who would be the owner, no one won unfortunately, now peace and nice and beautiful views,
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| lingo4. 11. 2019 10:10:18 |
ales50 "everything covered with bodies wherever you step, of course Batognica and to the sands"
ales, that sentence grew on your cabbage patch. Exaggeration helps no one, least of all history.
also 40,000 casualties you read for one offensive by no means means that many fell. In reality only around a third of that, the rest were wounded and missing, captured, ill etc. Under casualties the doctrine always counts all who were out of the fight
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| ales504. 11. 2019 11:48:28 |
I apologize, lingo, but I'm reading a book following the trails of the Isonzo front and it writes about losses and fallen and fights along the entire Isonzo front, also on Krn and Batognica plus sands and surrounding mountains, that's history, they know what they wrote in the book and how much truth is in it, now it's peace and nice with nice views, but there are traces of fights up there in the area.
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| ales504. 11. 2019 11:56:52 |
just in 11th Isonzo battle noted 40000 fallen Italians, wounded 108000, well it was war of attrition, history that will remain as warning and memory to all fallen who died in this war, now nice in mountains and I like to hike these summits, because nice and calm.
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| lingo4. 11. 2019 13:05:04 |
Ales, the book is 20 years old and the data were somewhat corrected afterwards. Always new findings come, not so burdened with pompousness. Now at the centenary much more overview and more calmly written material was published. The entire Isonzo front demanded per latest estimates ca. 250,000 dead on both sides. Even until the beginning of the nineties, some historians competed over who would go further, probably many remember that it was also spoken of more than a million dead.
Also your explanation that starts "just in the eleventh battle..." is phrased in a way that misleads into exaggeration. Namely in the 11th offensive the Italians had as many fallen as in the first five battles together
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| ales504. 11. 2019 13:23:52 |
As much as I've read, 371000 Italians fell in the war and around 100000 Austro-Hungarians in two years plus another year until the debacle on the Piave, yeah data change and the question is how many really fell on both sides, actually only those who participated and survived the slaughter know, after the war body collectors had to add up bodies of the fallen along the entire former front from both sides, like Germans have ossuary in Tolmin and however many fell in the 12th offensive these victims probably only first days of fighting, they didn't dare to state exact data precisely, only what I read in the book I cited.
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| lino4. 11. 2019 16:02:04 |
Aleš50, true. These are official data. And we have to believe that. But we also have various pub data, estimates at a glance, hearsay data and also data adjusted to the winners.
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| ales504. 11. 2019 17:53:18 |
yeah official data of experts, but I believe what I see, , luckily I don't drink alcohol, 
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| ales504. 11. 2019 18:00:33 |
locals from grandpas know best how it was when they lived there or fought during Soča front time, of course the book is written on data and testimony probably of soldiers still alive then
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| SamoK4. 11. 2019 19:16:19 |
Don't be ridiculous. A person has no idea even about 1000 people, let alone distinguishing, for example, between 10,000 and 100,000.
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| mirank4. 11. 2019 20:41:30 |
Lingo, I agree with you in many things, but maybe it needs to be emphasized that the fiercest battles in the 11th offensive took place on Goriško and Banjšice. The majority of all the fallen in all 11 Italian offensives are the result of battles from Tolmin to the sea, which is completely understandable due to the terrain configuration. This is evidenced by the markers (size of ossuaries-Italians and numerous AO military cemeteries). In the 12th offensive it was different; Italian losses in this offensive approx. 270,000 men mostly war prisoners.
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| MitjaBelak4. 11. 2019 20:48:25 |
Everyone has their own right. Seen, heard, or read. There really were tough times back then, and to many a grandma or grandpa told much about that period, to me too, and much to read on the net too, but still I feel we have no clue what is real.
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| jprim4. 11. 2019 21:29:28 |
Perhaps it's necessary to read even more! I did it myself too, also looked at an interesting comment and set off for 2 days to the Tyrol area, where there were numerous victims in the high mountains.
I recommend it to others who are interested in such history. On the paths of the 1st World War South Tyrol.
Regards!
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| miri4. 11. 2019 21:49:44 |
I think we can't imagine the suffering of these people, whether they are soldiers or civilians.
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| mirank4. 11. 2019 23:17:32 |
"From the other side of the hill" is a very interesting view on the events of that time that Prof. Barbero gave in his lecture From Caporetto to the Piave. Surprisingly real for Italians! Anyway, certainly 50 years have passed since my brother and I first entered the world of caverns and trenches on the Karst slopes. Then one still found much, today you get battery inserts, butts and beer cans
Yeah, many should read more, listen and sit for an hour on battle areas and try to imagine that time and the suffering of all those people
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