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| redbull3. 10. 2013 11:32:04 |
a bit more and it'll be among descriptions of the hardest ferratas or something.
Jax looks like you've walked our paths a bit more, there are still a huge number of heavier ones.
Juš how would you rate this without protections?
lp
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| viharnik3. 10. 2013 11:38:04 |
It's like they'd serve you food on a plate but then not let you eat it. Whoever goes up knows how and what they need, the rest should rather stay in the valley.
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| CarpeDiem2473. 10. 2013 11:45:32 |
Anyway once the rockfall on Razor calms down, the descent via the now abandoned path will still be safe enough. If however a good part of the previous path has crumbled away, then I've kicked into the dark with my remark and dust myself with ashes. 
I also suggest that the forum moderator changes the data regarding the path to Razor as soon as possible if the difficulty has changed quite a bit. I'm talking about this;
http://www.hribi.net/gora/razor/1/9
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| ms_primoz3. 10. 2013 14:00:18 |
each mountaineer's ability is specific, so don't say what's mandatory...it's recommended, that's the difference. and again all you who fear your own shadow inflate things to appear bigger heroes or what?
as redbull said - a bit more and the path will rank among the most demanding ferratas... well if they'd at least make it a ferrata you'd have something to boast about...
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| Zebdi3. 10. 2013 14:29:04 |
The official stance of PZS is that SVK is mandatory on this path. So it's the opinion of the umbrella organization that maintains the network of mountain paths and equips paths according to the abilities of the average visitor, recommendations tailored to that profile of people. Otherwise we wouldn't need kilometers of marked and equipped paths, as the most experienced would find their own passages. Everyone can decide for themselves whether to heed it or not, but publicly mocking it is still a bit much. Even more so accusing them of fearing their own shadow
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| jax3. 10. 2013 14:38:54 |
Jax, it looks like you've walked our paths a bit more, there are still a huge number of heavier ones.
Khm, Hanzova to Mojstrovka, Hanzova to Prisojnik, Jubilejna, Mangart - Slovenian, Kanjski preval, Krn - Korenova, Veliki vrh, Kremžarjeva, Frischaufova, Velika baba, Križ - northern ridge, Kopinškova, surely some slipped my memory. I don't claim I've walked all, but I'm not a total beginner, I claim confidently. And I claim that within secured paths in Slovenia the new path to Razor ranks quite high and is very likely the hardest spot on SPP.
And it really interests me where those "huge number of heavier" paths are with us. And of course I speak of Slovenia, let's leave Austria and Italy for later.
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| Daaam3. 10. 2013 14:48:18 |
Come on, stop already...  ..soon someone else will go to Razor too, and maybe the rating will crystallize. Jax's opinion is his, what the general rating is will be known after say 20 reports  ..for some certain details "make problems", for some ridges, for others scree.... There are no hardest points on SPP in my opinion.. just hard and less hard ..as already said, everything depends on the mountaineer and his profile..
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| JusAvgustin3. 10. 2013 14:54:27 |
Marija, debates! I sign everything under Zebdi. Official stance is important, the guy expressed opinion, who cares if someone solos here for me even Walker Pillar in Jorasses! We're talking about ZPP! What reaction, just expresses opinion, if you'll go with or without who cares...
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| flapho3. 10. 2013 17:00:09 |
What have you started complicating with via ferrata sets this is not true! People are totally crazy in the internet age (various forums, FB), asking what's needed and what's not, is the path safe or not. Wasn't it nice back then when there were no via ferrata sets and forums and you went to the mountains with company and experienced the mountains in primal form and in the end returned home satisfied. Today first to the internet to ask what the path is like, what gear I need etc. I climbed mainly all peaks in Slovenia very young, when various aids didn't exist at all, accidents happened too but such complicating as I observe here and on FB makes you give up everything. Some go to mountains like modern knights equipped with everything, and think they look cool. Whenever I go to mountains I want to tackle something new hard to reach first is psychophysical condition.
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| limona3. 10. 2013 17:05:33 |
All praise to the ferrata makers. Will have to go to Razor again next season and check from close up. From pics it looks like pegs and staples are really dense, no problem even for us smaller builds. And there's wire too.
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| Keko3. 10. 2013 17:55:54 |
@flapho, I can only agree with your post. If you're physically and mentally fit, you can go up Lojtri without protection, no problem; this path looks something similar. Those who doubt their abilities should protect themselves, period.
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| Becar3. 10. 2013 18:06:22 |
At first glance, Jax's picture reminds me somewhat of the first part of the path to Stol from the yodeller's side. We'll check next year. 
Regardless of others' opinions, on such a path I'll use SVK and helmet for additional protection due to the possibility of slipping, falling rocks etc.
My opinion based on the seen pictures is such that the hardest SPP path in my view remains Jalovec, which has some almost equally steep places, but unprotected, scree-covered.
As someone already mentioned, it depends what represents a bigger problem for someone. Very steep path with lots of iron, or a bit less steep crumbly path without aids.
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| Meto3. 10. 2013 20:17:55 |
> From pics it looks like pegs and staples are really densely placed, no problem even for us of smaller build.
Picture deceives both regarding difficulty and distances between pegs/staples. In reality the number is quite modest, but it shouldn't cause bigger issues even for people of smaller build.
edit: first hand, I've already walked this path
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| keber13. 10. 2013 23:55:26 |
I too from pics have the feeling that pegs and staples are far from so densely placed as someone might think at first glance, but only as much as necessary and placed quite variably. And if I'm not mistaken, the guy below is in the overhang part.
But it's very inappropriate to attack the pic author from home sofa saying he exaggerates difficulty rating, when he's actually the only one here so far who has climbed this path.
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| jannika4. 10. 2013 08:26:24 |
Well, let me add a bit too... I consider it an honor that I was part of the group of nine (with jax), who obviously went first to Razor on the newly made path. Tricky is really only the last new part of about 15m. I climbed up with SVK in backpack, which I later regretted. If you fall you die!!! Problem also rocks at the top or exit for now, in case of group... if anything flies down, it will hit right on the head! Well, in my opinion SVK mandatory, otherwise everyone knows for themselves. Good luck wherever you go.
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| urbancek4. 10. 2013 16:01:48 |
Well, if you fall, you don't die only on Razor, but elsewhere too
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| janez.novak4. 10. 2013 16:05:54 |
If you look at picture no.3 - where does the path go now (previously it went horizontally under the rockfall around and to the top)?
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| viharnik4. 10. 2013 17:51:41 |
Of course, even with a few m you quickly go down, as man is like porcelain if he falls on some rock. On harder sections of ferratas the mountaineer must decide himself about the ascent method with regard to circumstances (falling rocks, frequent encounters, verglas, wind gusts, especially good knowledge of current psychophysical state and such experiences), if allowed. In principle even very skilled protection won't hurt, as on ferratas even old vertical masters have left teeth in the mountains. A second of inattention is enough and the accident is here.
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| Ninđa4. 10. 2013 20:54:45 |
This "new" Razor worries me a bit! It will really complicate the Slovenian mountain trail!
What do you say?
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| JusAvgustin6. 10. 2013 10:19:51 |
For some a walk, for others a must. Just don't start again!
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