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gregcs124. 02. 2011 16:08:41

Sounds harsh, but obviously every now and then someone needs to get buried for people to think a bit. And I wish no one anything bad... But if someone tramples unprocessed snow up to the ass in the Turkish gully, and is not afraid at all that something might slide, then there is something seriously wrong with that person. At least that's how I think.

JusAvgustin24. 02. 2011 18:41:14

Do you remember last season when it buried quite a few unfortunates, winter was really abundant with snow, after those events the "itch" i.e. going to the mountains at any cost calmed down a bit... Anyway here we can "sprinkle" the same advice continuously but there will still be an idiot who asks completely logical things, condition experts can even go to the mountains in "three" because unlike others they know where to move and especially what to avoid! gregcs1: you're right - sad but true! then folk will be all scared shitless again until the dry season and then stupid "dry" questions will start appearing... As if we give conditions up there, route descriptions and other "stuff" for nothing!

Best, Juš A.

šerpa24. 02. 2011 21:28:17

@gregcs1, you wrote that nicely "but if someone tramples unprocessed snow up to their ass in Turski couloir, and nothing scares him that something might slide..." - I totally agree with you.

Otherwise I'd ask if anyone has fresh first-hand data, to post it, because I'm planning to go up on Saturday.

TejaB25. 02. 2011 06:29:51

How can anyone offer you "fresh" data if you think someone who was up there is "idiot" and something "terribly wrong" with him? big smile

Actually, some right now pontificate about conditions from the home couch, right, others were up there but would like to be first too. winking

felix25. 02. 2011 06:58:55

If someone goes through Turski žleb this weekend, let them report conditions. I was planning to, but due to so much written above I postponed for a week, if no new snow of course.
lp

gregcs125. 02. 2011 07:32:31

@TejaB

Also, if someone goes under the couloir, sees that the conditions are bad and turns back, that's a conditions report. And I put much more value on such a report (and on such a person) than on the report of someone who wrote that they went with snowshoes over the couloir because otherwise they would have sunk to the butt!

bdolmovi25. 02. 2011 13:57:25

The trip through Turski žleb is suitable, I was there two days ago but because it was blowing strongly I turned back. Of course you need crampons through the žleb, at the top of the žleb it's a bit windpacked, otherwise no problem. Before me there were two ski tourers on Rinke and we met a bit above Okrešelj and chatted about the conditions which are OK as I said. Nice greeting to everyone and safe step, good luck. One more thing, below you can get with the car to the mountain hut although I went on foot from the last hotel although it's a bit far, good luck again.

JusAvgustin25. 02. 2011 16:52:35

Except in rare cases big smile

my comments are not aimed directly at anyone... If someone feels threatened eek

that I, from my couch, judge the conditions (by the way I don't have a couch at all), then that person interpreted my post wrongly. But if we are all so terribly smart rolling eyes

why at the end of the day among a few thousand users only 5 posts?! confused

Best regards and no hard feelings.

šerpa25. 02. 2011 17:32:46

@TejaB - if I write fresh first-hand data it means that they are provided by someone who was up there recently e.g. "bdolmovi" so posts need to be read fully and also think a bit what someone asks or reports with their writing. Also your claim that by us "idiot" is the one who was up is a generalization showing you didn't get the essence of this debate. No hard feelings.

Also "Toomy" gave correct first-hand data, only most of us thank God disagree with his assessment of the situation i.e. we think in such circumstances one should turn back.

"bdolmovi" thanks for the info.

lp

Primož7626. 02. 2011 17:40:50

Gregcs1 - obviously it is really as you said even though it sounds harsh.

Avalanche!

JusAvgustin26. 02. 2011 17:47:03

smart alecks... we don't "tumble" for nothing, otherwise I hope as little of that as possible!

Flora126. 02. 2011 18:13:14

Primož76, I was just about to post the same link. I told Teja you shouldn't just look at the numbers. Now it's really dangerous. Good luck everyone.

šerpa26. 02. 2011 19:32:54

Yeah, conditions in Turski couloir today aren't really for "cheering". Especially in the upper half of the couloir there are lots of windblown snow and crust that gives way, lower down unconsolidated snow. In one part below the summit snow is scoured to hard, partly icy base. The upper part had strong wind blowing too, some turned back because of it. Otherwise there were quite a few people up there today (even some with crampons, no ice axe jezen

Flora126. 02. 2011 20:53:27

Mali Gobar27. 02. 2011 15:47:59

Today on Mali Rinka - great day, powder and no one anywhere. Only returning ran into a couple of quite late hikers for my taste. Conditions, of course. jezik

Can drive to hut, but some ruts so deep car gets stuck on edge, then end. Happened to at least five today. Suggest no driving from here. I dug like mad with ice axe 45 min till got car out. Catastrophe - wanted to do first part to Turski couloir entrance by headlamp, then this! jezen

Then walking road to Koča pod slapom Rinka Benča joined me (see photos) better mood. Snow ok to Okrešelj, then soon crampons time (for me) tracks windblown. Crust held some places not others, but to top of couloir no issues. Can get there fine. From couloir top to Mali Rinka trickier, snow crusty sinks over knees. Predecessor (yesterday entry) similar problems. Otherwise great sunny day like nothing yesterday. Warning less experienced poor fitness it's demanding, add 45 min each way (if fast walkers). Snow not nice sinks.

Good luck + best
Jure

felix28. 02. 2011 07:15:35

Whose is this "Berni" who seems to join more than a few?

Mali Gobar28. 02. 2011 09:04:11

This is Benča, the hut keeper's little dog. She is the real mascot of this area and judging by what was seen yesterday also an experienced female mountaineer. Very friendly to people, as a true Bernese Mountain Dog she has a strongly developed protective instinct - even me she 'watched' yesterday to the return to Okrešelj winking

JTrogar28. 02. 2011 10:21:18

Benčin dom is the pension Na razpotju. velik

The lady said she goes on multi-day tours, even to the Jezersko side. She has a phone number on her collar and hikers call from all spots. Thus she does nice promo for them. She became a real KSA mascot. She joins anyone showing a bit of friendliness to her.