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| sirt113. 11. 2017 13:52:06 |
Piotr- in your link:
In geography we prefer to set boundaries along visible landscape divides, for example along ridges or rivers, and in geographical literature the northern border of the Balkan Peninsula is most often set from Kvarner Bay along Kolpa, Sava and Danube to the Black Sea. In this case Slovenia is not on the Balkan Peninsula.
However, in 1994 the International Geographical Union at the regional conference in Prague classified Slovenia among nine Central European countries, together with Germany, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Switzerland, Liechtenstein and Austria. The Balkans also has cultural, historical, political, religious, linguistic and numerous other dimensions to which it is even harder to set boundaries, so no single answer can be given on how far it extends.
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| piotr13. 11. 2017 17:51:46 |
Yes, since there is no unequivocal answer, the demarcation is subject to historical perspective too.
E.g.: in the 19th cent. the entire pre-Alpine world belonged to the Balkan area; even in the former common state there was no doubt.
Even English or German sources today see Slovenia as part of the Balkans.
Last but not least Slovenia is as maritime as it is Balkan.
Another view:
http://www.mladina.si/159934/kriza-identitete/
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| jprim13. 11. 2017 17:56:36 |
Well, where did the discussion go? I just wanted someone to offer a concrete solution regarding this problem.
Regards!
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| drdivx13. 11. 2017 18:13:22 |
@sirt1
If you refer to that 1994 event you could add:
Finland, Sweden, Norway .... are Northern Europe and still on the Scandinavian peninsula.
Spain and Portugal are likewise Western Europe, yet lie on the Iberian peninsula.....
Tomorrow someone at a similar meeting will think of it and claim that Balkans is everything on the right bank of Sava, or right bank of Drina
Need I draw it for you???
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| piotr13. 11. 2017 18:18:39 |
@jprim, we just expanded it a bit, since in Serbia on Stara Planina in the nature park they have similar cases too.
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| jprim13. 11. 2017 19:10:03 |
If we're comparing with Serbs, then we're really still a Balkan country. Wouldn't we rather compare with the northern neighbor Austria?
Regards!
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| sirt114. 11. 2017 09:22:00 |
drdivx
In 1919 someone really remembered and claimed the Balkan peninsula goes to Trieste. It's interesting it happened just in 1919 soon after Slovenes were pushed under Serbs. Even more interesting, it was the Serb Cvijić. Obviously you're all so blindly in love with Serbs that it's holy truth for you.
Before him the northernmost variant and most used to this day was Kvarner-Kolpa-Sava-Danube.
By the way; By one variant of Apennine peninsula border Vipava valley is on it too.
Enough from my side on this!
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| djimuzl14. 11. 2017 11:47:42 |
Serbs? Such a lover of Slovenian language
Self-praise..
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| gral14. 11. 2017 13:02:57 |
Now stop it.... are you even "mountaineers"....Smrekovec would cry if it knew...
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| Daaam14. 11. 2017 13:08:29 |
Even if they move us on paper to northern Europe because of that no one will live better or worse..anyway for northern neighbors we will always be balkans no matter where we are..even for northern Germans Bavarians are rich peasants from the south..that's how it is ...the less you worry about it the better you live ...
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| sirt114. 11. 2017 14:53:23 |
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| Janezs14. 11. 2017 15:03:50 |
Here you spill wisdom, but on Smrekovec you ride with sleds.
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| djimuzl14. 11. 2017 15:38:49 |
sirt1, I know that this term is in the dictionary, but it doesn't fit the topic in which it is used.. I think you wrote it on purpose (three times even), but you know very well why..
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| tulipan14. 11. 2017 18:16:38 |
After all this fruitless debate that has nothing to do with conditions, you go after Vansims too. One way or another the described conditions are only for the moments that you report to the forum. When published, it's already past time.
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| tinky14. 11. 2017 18:45:23 |
Especially if you're gone for half a year
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| jprim14. 11. 2017 20:52:19 |
Dear forumers ...
it looks like the conditions I described apply for the whole year, well except for snow. As for the other problems, the situation is probably unchanged, according to the principle ....
just that the neighbor's chicken dies, as long as it's not mine.
Lp!
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| carniolus15. 11. 2017 07:37:03 |
It was about 20 years ago - already then there were tracks from snowmobiles in those areas. They actually saved me from a night winter bivouac in those parts. Namely, I was descending on skis down the southern slope of Raduha - it was late afternoon. The plan was, after a certain ski section, to turn (on foot of course) back to the Carinthian side and I was looking for a direction leading to the road under Smrekovec towards Bistrica. Dusk was falling and I was in total panic, as I had no idea where I was. The mobile had very poor reception and I couldn't get proper instructions. It got extremely cold, I was soaked, without food and drink, exhausted to the point of collapse. The last hope was the tracks and I followed them as there was no living soul anywhere. Luckily they led me exactly in the desired direction towards Črna. It was almost complete darkness when I descended the road towards Bistrica and sparks were flying properly from under the skis. Yes - back then the tracks literally saved my life.
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| Janezs15. 11. 2017 08:06:23 |
Now I'll also write more seriously about these problems. I'm not a sledder, but I only use touring skis and snowshoes. It bothers me too when I see cyclists in summer, well I turn a blind eye. That rutting also bothers me in winter from sleds. But I see something positive in it too. Firstly in winter I cross Smrekovec ridge at least twice, if from home to Komna there's a "dragged" sled track, it's a big help to me. In summer I notice that the path is nicely normally passable, because otherwise it's too overgrown from blueberry picking. The sled "chain" nicely mows the grass and other undergrowth. (of course only in case of low snow cover).
At such places you're "wet to the knees" in dew or rain. I'll add that last winter there was a lot written about this. Someone promised it wouldn't happen again. Last winter it was true, actually only some small sled tracks. But I notice that more and more people are bothered by something. Construction of hydroelectric plants, wind turbines, roads. On their own plots they build pools, terraces etc., that's also intervention in the environment. Wildlife gets used to everything anyway, if the noise bothered it too much there wouldn't be so many run over on roads. Then bears walk everywhere too. At night there are plenty of foxes, martens, hares in cities too..... Natura, Natura, Necessary logging trails are also built. If they are carefully maintained, they fade until the next logging. Lots Lp.
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| Pelca15. 11. 2017 12:25:43 |
I'm only interested in the conditions - so, is the path from Andrejev dom to Smrekovec normally passable or is there a track made? Thanks
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| Janezs15. 11. 2017 13:21:25 |
Even if there's no track, the path is undemanding and not too long, so there won't be a problem if you're first in the snow. Lp.
Take snowshoes with you and if needed it won't be "winter".
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