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ločanka8. 12. 2015 20:33:57
Wonderful dogs, they seem to me like wonderful companions! At the same time independent, they know what they like and they are ready for that regardless of everything else, to enjoy. They were born for enjoyment!
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gofra9. 12. 2015 10:21:25
Thanks!
@sunshine: HERE

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sunshine9. 12. 2015 14:03:59
Thanks Gofranasmeh
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hribuc8528. 08. 2016 15:43:20
My personal layman's opinion based on what I've seen:

NO with a dog over Komarča. Except breeds that you can put in a backpack.

LP

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VanSims30. 09. 2016 17:57:43
Animals I encountered while roaming the Austrian Alps, Vosges, and Dolomites.

https://simsoneblog.wordpress.com/zivali-ki-sem-jih-srecal-na-potepanju-po-avstrijskih-alpah-vogezih-in-dolomitih/
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Nika W.6. 10. 2016 20:44:18
With a dog across Pohorje – anything but friendly

Pohorje is a popular hiking and mountaineering destination and part of SPP - Slovenian Mountain Trail or transversal, which leads from Maribor to Ankaran. Due to not too large elevation differences and lower altitude (highest point at 1540 m), this part of the Slovenian transversal is considered an easy and undemanding trail. Many mountaineers and hikers therefore decide for a multi-day crossing of Pohorje from Maribor to Slovenj Gradec, which amounts to approximately 68 km distance, over 2000 m of elevation gain and loss.

Pohorje is covered with rich forests of fir and spruce, hayfields, pastures and meadows, peat bogs and peatlands, marshes and lakes. There are practically no settlements. There are 8 mountain huts or stations on this trail.

The trail is relatively well marked, only the distances between individual points could be debated a lot, as they are at least between Ruška koča and Rogla very inaccurate, almost misleading.

Pohorje invites mountaineers, hikers and excursionists with the slogan that we will be enthusiastic about the exceptional natural and cultural heritage, hospitality of locals and culinary delights in friendly stations.

Multi-day crossing of Pohorje and overnight stay with a dog in mountain huts on the trail from Maribor to Slovenj Gradec can be anything but friendly.

Slovenes are known as dog lovers. Many people have dogs for various reasons: love of animals in general, for guarding and security, for fun and socializing. Many dogs are equal family members, attend dog school with their owner and are socialized. Responsible owners take care of dog socialization, health, vaccination and hygiene. Dogs are not just pets, some have special tasks: they are rescue dogs, service dogs in the army and police, guide dogs for the blind. Somewhat less known but increasingly established in the world and also in Slovenia are therapy pairs that perform therapies and activities with the help of animals. Dogs with therapy dog status at the Ambassadors of Smile association are trained, well-bred, friendly and groomed. Their target groups are elderly in nursing homes, people with special needs, preschool and school children, users with behavioral disorders and similar. Their therapy method is very simple: drawing smiles on the faces of those who have no reason to smile.


"My therapy is very simple: I wag my tail and lick your face for so long until you feel better again." (source: Ambassadors of Smile Association)


Dog lovers probably agree that there is nothing better than going with a dog into nature, for a walk, to the hills, to the mountains. For a solitary hiker, the dog is a companion and friend on the trail, especially if they go together on multi-day hikes and mountaineering.

So what do Pohorje, dogs, Ambassadors of Smile association and mountaineering have in common?

With my four-year-old cocker spaniel Vilijem we are a therapy pair in the Ambassadors of Smile Association, where we completed demanding training to function as a therapy pair and we regularly do this work as volunteers. In free time we are also very active otherwise. We don't climb two-thousanders, but we hike lower hills. We are inseparable.

Together we have also walked 1,000 km of the famous Spanish pilgrimage trail Camino del Norte to Finisterre. And for three years in a row we go with a group of hikers on various multi-day hikes in Czechia.

Ten years ago, as a very avid mountaineer, I walked the entire Slovenian mountain transversal. I enjoyed the rocks between pitons and slings and slept in carefully maintained huts. As a vegetarian, I encountered problems everywhere back then because they cooked jota and barley stew with sausage, and buckwheat mush was seasoned with cracklings. Ten years later, I can only praise the managements and cooks in mountain huts as they now offer tasty veggie menus everywhere.

In the middle of this summer, I set out with a group of friends and of course dog Vilijem to hike the popular trail from Maribor to Slovenj Gradec, which I can describe with one word – DISAPPOINTMENT. It is true that I have experience of pilgrimage with a dog on Camino, where dogs are not very welcome but there was always a roof over our heads in Spain. In Czechia, a dog is welcome in all accommodations on European walking trails. Without problems and usually without extra charge, the dog can sleep in the room with the owner. In Switzerland, dogs with obedience certificate have access to all mountain huts. Similarly elsewhere in Europe. I planned to hike the trail from Maribor to Slovenj Gradec in three days, but then circumstances forced me to do it in two.

I inquired at PZS and found out that there is indeed a regulation titled "House rules of PZS mountain huts", which states among other things: "It is not allowed to bring dogs and other animals into mountain huts." The house rules do not foresee any exceptions, neither for rescue, police and military dogs nor for guide dogs for the blind.

However, there are huts where you are welcome with a dog and usually the caretakers of such huts also have their own dog.

All well and good, because paper covers everything. But when a mountaineer and hiker actually needs rest because they have already walked many kilometers that day, they encounter complete lack of compassion and willingness to help from hut caretakers - feeling angry, disappointed and helpless. With Vilijem as a therapy pair, we enter kindergartens, schools, sterile hospital environments and nursing homes. We have presented our program in the mayor's office and many other places. But into mountain huts, where mountaineers enter even in muddy and dirty boots, the dog has no access! My pooch Vili is a healthy, groomed and trained dog and on top of that a therapy dog. I am willing to pay extra for his overnight stay in mountain huts, but so far I have almost always been refused. At the same time, we hear complaints from caretakers that mountain huts are emptier than years ago.

For hikers and mountaineers with dogs, the doors of mountain huts are open abroad, but at home we were left in front of closed ones and therefore I am extremely disappointed. Let me mention those huts where I gained this experience and which is the result of this post:

From Maribor to Slovenj Gradec you are welcome with a dog only in Ruška koča on Areh, where they allow the dog to sleep in the shared dormitory room as long as the dogs do not disturb other people and do not damage their property.

In the hut on Klopnem vrh dogs are not allowed because they have new parquet.

In Koča na Pesku a poster on the bulletin board already awaits you informing that the dog will wait outside.

In Ribniška koča we stopped only for tea, due to unfriendly staff I didn't even dare ask about the possibility of overnight stay with a dog.

Grmovškov dom under Velika Kopa is run by a friendly young guy who had a free room until he learned that a dog was waiting outside for me. The hut suddenly became full. He directed us to the nearby hotel, where I would pay 40 euros for one night with a dog. Of course, they do not consider Planinska zveza membership in the price.

Partizanski dom Kope is unfortunately closed, locals say it was dog-friendly.

The last attempt for sleep is the hut under Kremžarjev vrh. The caretakers offered a room, but the dog was supposed to sleep in the woodshed. To my explanation that the dog, not used to sleeping outside alone, would howl all night, I received only mockery. I wanted to sleep with the dog in the woodshed then, but they did not allow it. The caretakers mentioned the president of the Alpine Association of Slovenia who signed the decree that dogs are not allowed in mountain huts.

Koča na Osankarici was off the trail this time, so I don't know how dog-friendly or not it is.

I don't expect everyone to love my dog and for us to be welcome everywhere. However, I think that PZS should consider that many Slovenian families have a pet dog with which we want to spend free time and walk with it for several days on foot around Slovenia and hike in Slovenian mountains. After all, Slovenes are known for our love of mountains and hills.

I believe that changes will happen in this area too, as they have for other cases:

A few years ago it was unthinkable, now it is reality that smokers have found a smoking area in public bars. Young parents have the opportunity in bars to change their babies' diapers. Mountain huts have adapted their menus for vegetarians. Why not think about each mountain hut offering overnight stay with a dog, for appropriate payment of course. Mountaineering and hiking are healthy and popular ways of spending free time. Multi-day wandering around Pohorje is wonderful. Many would happily sleep with their four-legged friend in mountain huts if such option was available. Are we capable of moving forward with time?

Let this article be food for thought and not just criticism. Especially I did not intend to criticize only Pohorje, because the attitude towards dogs is the same in all mountain huts in Slovenia. On Pohorje I just recently experienced such attitude very intensely and painfully. This is just my experience and impressions from the trail. I sincerely hope that conditions in this area will change and that in a while I can praise the changes that mountain huts are friendly to hikers and also their four-legged friends.

Nika Weiffenbach
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VanSims26. 11. 2016 15:56:57
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potpodnoge26. 11. 2016 18:36:10
I accidentally stumbled upon an article while browsing websites. I'll put myself on the line, even though I don't have to.
About animals, all nice and good. True enthusiasts take them everywhere with them, and take especially good care of them, sometimes even more than their partner or children.
However, dog lovers and other animal lovers. You must know that not all people are made for company with animals, even if we don't hate them, but find them cute and pleasant. But there remain many reasons not to want animals around us, and when we encounter them loose in any environment, you can't expect even the nicest animal to pass by me as if two friends are meeting.
One reason can be allergy to fur. Another reason is fear of dogs that have already bitten someone, etc. And such a person doesn't hate the dog, but wants to avoid it from afar, or doesn't like meeting it. Especially since most (hats off to the rare exceptions that exist everywhere) don't have dogs on a leash. Not in the city, not in nature, not in the mountains, etc. There's always an excuse, "mine won't do anything to you, he's so well-behaved." Most are, but sometimes you run into one where the owner can barely control it and the dog leads the owner more than the other way around.
Some can't stand it when a dog sniffs and drools on them. Dog owners don't care at all. They're so in love with dogs (which is right), they don't even realize that people are different, and that just as owners love their dogs, others don't want to deal with them. And I repeat, not out of hatred for the dog or other animals.
If everyone kept dogs on a leash outside home, many would look at dogs differently than when they see they're about to meet one with its irresponsible owner.
Which also somehow coincides with this, for example I like going to nature to relax and breathe after the morning hustle and bustle. And enjoy peace above all. And lo and behold, as soon as I step into a quiet part of nature, some dog comes rushing with its owner who knows where and starts barking as if I wanted to do something to it. I sit on a bench by the hut in nature, want to drink a beer in peace, and two dogs start barking at each other as if something's terribly wrong. The owner sits nearby and ignores the barking. Because he thinks if I like this barking, it should be fine for everyone, listening to unnecessary barking.
And indeed, more and more people own dogs, which is nothing wrong, the wrong is that many don't know how to raise them, or have them just because the neighbor does, but aren't capable of caring for them properly and raising them as they should and as some know how.

You know, to me forcing someone with what someone likes, if not a stupid act, is unnecessary.
And, returning to your topic. In the hut there are people who want peace, quiet night rest, because the next day they have various tours that will take quite some, possibly a lot of time, considerable strength, so they want to rest. As we know, a dog in a foreign environment checks everything. And to start barking at night unnecessarily, thus waking people and putting them in a bad mood is not a good start to the day. Of course dog owners won't accept this at all and will always find more excuses for every objection, preferably that if we avoid dogs, we're bad people. But that doesn't hold at all, because we must consider the fact that people are different. And when someone likes something, loves something, shouldn't judge others by themselves and expect the same affection from others for the same actions or animals.
So don't impose on others what is acceptable to us. Rules are rules, which everyone wants to adapt to themselves and doesn't even realize they are needed because we live in a society of different people. And for coexistence among us, to disturb each other as little as possible and everyone enjoy freedom as much as possible, we need some rules that enable that. Otherwise it reads more poser-like, but fewer and fewer people realize that.
Also, if a dog sleeps in someone's bed at home, I don't care at all. In huts it shouldn't be allowed. Because as I mentioned, people are allergic to dog and other fur too and can't have a dog in bed or on common bedding, then other people lie in the same bed on the same sheets. I'm convinced that's inappropriate. How someone has it at home, I don't care, nor if I knew, I wouldn't interfere.
Certainly I don't expect from others, because I save electricity, that other residents say in the building have to listen to the noise of my generator, because I need electricity, and it's not written anywhere that I can't have it at home and turn it on and it would run say 12 hours or more a day when I'm home.

I'm convinced that people are distancing themselves more and more from each other and most see only their own needs, desires and chasing them. To each other we're becoming more and more, if not hostile then unfriendly. And not only in the case of animals, but in life in general. More and more people are convinced that what they do is all fine, must suit everyone, what others do is all wrong. Bad luck we live in one big community where every individual is vastly different in character and personality and we don't want or don't know how to coordinate so that we disturb each other as little as possible.
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radagremvhribe27. 11. 2016 08:07:56
dear nika, your post is more like a tolerance test, unfortunately we don't have much of it, right?
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mukica27. 11. 2016 11:29:21
Yes, some are really bothered by everything...animals, people, nature...they always find something they don't agree with and always will mežikanje
Me occasionally bothered by people full of themselves, their phones and tablets while their youth does whatever they want...raising their little know-it-alls as if everything is allowed to them...and some who arrive at the hut veryyyy thirsty and then don't know they have to return too...do whatever they want...mostly around huts or near them and are much more than all the puppies loud zadrega
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VanSims27. 11. 2016 12:20:33
Although I'm a dog lover, I'm one of the rare ones who can say how unpleasant it is if you're afraid of them, as I was recently too.

Clearly, it's all in the head and... hmmm some say it's energies that dogs or animals in general still perceive unlike us humans who have lost that feeling. The theory e.g. that a dog detects fear by smelling sweat and such would be wrong... This with energies is not only with animals, we see it in other areas of life too. But it's also about the principle that the more you defend against something or want to force it, the less you'll achieve it.

If you're afraid of them you'll keep meeting them and they'll be annoying, if not... ah sometimes I'd love to pet one but simply as if they avoid me... And of course I don't want to be violent, I respect the owner who doesn't want (or at least gives that impression, which with a bit of psychology you can see) his dog to be 'harassed', although when I was afraid of them, mostly they didn't have that understanding for me. And of course you still need to keep some distance to the dog. You never know,...

As said, I fully understand those who don't want anything to do with dogs. Some owners really don't understand. Just like the allergy to fur mentioned by the previous one, and all the dirt that accumulates on an animal already on one trip, even if the owner grooms it otherwise,... who up in the mountains can help if there's an allergic reaction, breathing arrest,... There are also people who simply don't want anything to do with them and for those it's better not to have them.

Here Slovenia is special again. Yes, abroad too there are off-leash dogs but at least close to the owner, max a couple of meters in front or behind so he has them under control and can act immediately in case of incident (recall,...).

Only in Slovenia but really only here it happens to me that I meet a dog, then looong time nothing, well then the owner arrives and even asks if you've seen my dog somewhere or if we come together to him, where did you meet him. Now I'm no longer afraid of the dog, but often he gets scared of me instead which isn't pleasant for him either, but such owners can't get it into their heads. And yes, potential dangers can still arise. Once a dog came from behind bushes a meter or two in front of me and of course it was a shock for him that he ran into me and he started wildly barking, growling and showing teeth. Even though I'm no longer afraid of them, it wasn't pleasant for me either. A dog can be totally friendly when meeting other people but casually an unpredictable situation can arise where the dog reacts defensively.

Huts: it's not true as the above cocker spaniel owner writes that in Europe mostly dogs are allowed in huts ("Similar elsewhere in Europe"). From alpine countries I specifically know for Italy and Germany that there dogs in official alpine association huts (CAI and DAV respectively) are not allowed. In Italy it's violated a lot (or caretakers are tolerant, if you will), but officially not allowed. In Germany I believe they're strict. But in the latter there are many private huts where dogs are usually allowed. 'Usually' because even there each individual owner decides, just like with us for taverns and places in the valley. Well, if in PZS huts neither guide dogs nor rescuers are allowed, it's stupid.

My opinion is that dogs should be allowed in huts on condition that they have their own room with the owner and no access to other areas. Don't misunderstand me, I have nothing against it, thank God if a peaceful little dog comes to pet but there are other people sensitive to dogs, to barking, to fur, to dirt,...

And regarding our huts, I agree with @mukica. If only dogs were the problem I'd allow them immediately anywhere even on shared bunks, in dining room, maybe in the office, even if I were so afraid of them. Really people can be worse than animals, especially because they're supposedly smart and should be aware of their boorish, ill-mannered and often disturbing behavior for others. And not just phones and tablets, that's the least. Rowdiness, drunkenness, messing, late into the night, complete disregard for others who came to rest and have a strenuous or technically demanding tour the next day and of course complete helplessness of caretakers who care more for profit than how people will feel.

Then we say someone behaves like an animal! Well, animals shouldn't hold it against us...
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dvojcica11. 12. 2016 19:55:06
Potpodnoge: congrats! Exactly like that in all points as you listed. Trying to convince a person with brains is mission "impossible!" once again bravo!
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capraibex11. 12. 2016 20:54:30
Dog owners behave in the mountains as if they were alone, on their home yard. No sign or warning helps them. Only a high fine would help such people, then everyone would think twice where and when to take the dog.
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SamoK11. 12. 2016 21:51:42
I'm not only bothered by dog owners, but also cyclists, runners, trainers.
And those with hiking poles.
And with new gojzarji.
And with phones - that's really something! What do they have to do with a phone in the mountains!

Yes, one more thing. I'm also bothered by those who eat chocolate in the mountains.
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sla12. 12. 2016 08:04:41
I'm bothered by all who drink coffee (yuck and phew!!!)
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dragica.gnjezda@gmail.com12. 12. 2016 09:27:59
For conclusion, here's this.


Letter to a seaside hotel

In the letter I wrote:
I would really like to take my dog on vacation with me too. He is well groomed and well behaved. Is there any possibility that the dog can sleep in the hotel room?

The hotel owner replies to me:
I have been the hotel owner for many years. In all that time, it has never happened to me that a dog stole towels, bedding, cutlery or took pictures off the wall. It also never happened that I had to throw a dog out of the hotel in the middle of the night because of rowdiness and drunkenness. No dog has ever run away without paying the bill.

So, yes, your dog is more than welcome with us. And if he guarantees for you too, you are welcome too.

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bats12. 12. 2016 09:28:16
@potpodnoge, pure five for the comment.
I'm not a dog hater, I even had one for 15 years, but the levels of human and animal are still separate each, living spaces of animal and human nevertheless must be separated, also who is subordinate to whom and what is allowed to whom, otherwise really the owner's matter.
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dvojcica13. 12. 2016 07:27:27
Capraibex: that's true too! Every measure only sticks as much as ZEP hurts! Sadly that's how it is!
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dvojcica16. 12. 2016 09:10:30
Turbo!! Would you dally like this with an official, I mean municipal inspector? Municipal ordinance is fully on my side, little dog on leash and no problem. Nice day!
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Daaam16. 12. 2016 09:18:17
#dvojcica ..good month here as registered user (well maybe more, if that's your second profilevelik nasmeh), already enough of you all over forum velik nasmeh Dog debate chewed hundred times already. ...don't chase Turbo away again zadrega
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