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Where to go with a dog?

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capraibex18. 01. 2017 16:15:26
German Shepherd during the day in the house. At night outside. As far as I know you're from a farm, just wouldn't expect something like that. Where do you keep the cows during the day, I don't even dare to thinkeek
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VanSims18. 01. 2017 18:51:22
@capraibex: "But hunters have greater authority to shoot slaughterhouse villains"

Unfortunately, they drastically reduced them in 2004. Since then, a hunter no longer has the right to do that. But I also agree that he should have it. We pity dogs, but not the animals they slaughter in the forest.

In Croatia and Austria (and probably many other places in Europe) he still has the right to do it. As a warning to all who go there with dogs and have the habit here of letting them off the leash.

@julius: "No dog and no animal has a shred of human malice and wickedness."

Until recently I was of similar opinion. But just ask any farmer who has a herd what all animals are capable of: gluttony, struggle for power, violence and mobbing weaker herd members,... Everything just like humans. Our local goatherd told me all that nicely.

The difference is only that the animal has no reason and is not capable of such truly cunning cruelties that only someone with intelligence can do.

We judge animals by how they behave towards us. They respect us as higher beings or fear us so they are friendly to us.
Just like we are friendly to bosses at work but compete among ourselves.

Otherwise, in nature it's constant struggle for survival with the cruelest and dirtiest means.

By the way, although it's nothing bad, homosexuality is also present in almost all animal species, although science under conservative lobby influence (puritan America) until recently claimed the opposite of what every farmer with at least a couple of heads of livestock actually knew.


@mukica: "all who love animals are good people"

Oh yes, many dictators from Hitler to Putin boasted with some dog or other animal or love for them...

I also like animals myself, people well no ja,... wouldn't talk about that...

@potka: "All this touches that part of dog owners who behave like that, don't understand or don't want to understand...and certainly not those who enjoy with their four-legged ones and responsibly let others enjoy too..."

That's what I've been saying all along, that there are responsible and irresponsible owners. And that the latter give a bad name to all dog owners. And some act like they don't want to understand. Probably just the irresponsible ones who have a bad conscience because of that...
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robi210718. 01. 2017 19:40:13
Well no, I wouldn't shoot all the dogs wandering around indiscriminately. The vast majority of them are probably perfectly fine dogs that irresponsible owners have abandoned. Such an animal in my opinion is not for shooting, but belongs in a shelter where a new owner is found who will take proper care of it. As far as I know, all the dogs I had my battles with had owners. Most often it was a dog let loose flying around the house, when I rode by it seemed I was just right to spice up its otherwise village boredom. Of course, its owner doesn't think it's worth putting up a fence around the house, which would prevent his pooch from harassing passersby or passing cyclists. If anything, he'll do it by tying the dog to a rope, where it will then wait bored to unconsciousness. That's no solution either, but usual animal torment. I know from experience that such an outcome is entirely possible, even very likely. I often, almost daily, rode past one such house, and the dog jumped after me a couple of times. When I had enough, I reported the whole thing to the police, they slapped a nice fine on the owner, and the owner solved it by putting the dog on a rope. But he didn't think a fence was worth it. And that dog got off lightly. He at least had a long enough rope to move a bit.
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Guest19. 01. 2017 10:53:58
Dogs are the law! But I'd link to "robi2107", who quite nicely described the problems of dogs and us people.
I live in the village myself and a few years ago conditions for some dogs were really "doggy". Tied to a rope, chain or just collar they moved a few meters and barked at every passerby. In summer there was no water in the bowl because the dog overturned it - at least that's what the owner claimed. In winter that water was frozen anyway. As for food, it's no better, as some got only "swill"- meaning what people didn't eat. And then came dog holiday - rabies vaccination was done in villages a few years ago and that was the only day in the year for some dogs they could go for a walk. First you heard claws scratching on asphalt and then the "choking" panting of the dog, which on a fairly long chain dragged its master behind, who had to try hard to hold the dog at all. That's how it was, well, unfortunately in many places it stayed the same. I meet many dogs in mountains-hills, off-leash or on leash and not a moment passes without wanting to pet it a bit. The question arises who likes it more, the dog or me. People also like to cuddle and because I always go for dogs, I've also paid for it. It wasn't bad, but some blood did flow and some pants were torn. Lately I'm meeting more and more responsible owners who have dogs off-leash, but when they meet other hikers they put them on leash, or just hold them and step aside a bit from the path. Among them there were also rescue dogs. I have a friend who had a bad experience and when we meet an off-leash dog in the hills he just freezes-stiffens. On warning the owner we most often hear: he's completely friendly, he doesn't bite, just pet him....
Unfortunately it doesn't work that way, if a person has a bad experience, it might take years to love dogs again. A dog is an animal after all and still has that hunting instinct. Dogs bother me the most around mountain huts, when they have to wait in wind, cold, or heat for their master to drink a few mugs of beer and try to call him with unbearable barking, like time to go. Also picking up poop some people haven't mastered yet, as it's normal for them that the dog "does its business" on the sidewalk in front of our entrance. But when I say like: "Hello lady you lost something", they just turn, make some weird face and hurry away.
I think we all need a bit more patience and understanding. The law is clear on these things, so dog owners should try to follow the law.
And one more little joke that a colleague, also a big dog lover, told me.
Why do dogs always bark so crazily at postmen?
Because they just come and go.
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GričarA19. 01. 2017 11:42:52
Interesting that there's so much talk about dogs, while no one even thinks about cows, pigs and chickens, they are on chain their whole life too and then killed at the end.
And we all consider ourselves animal loverszmeden
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ljubitelj gora19. 01. 2017 12:44:25
capraibex: She's a good farm guard, comes into the house only occasionally, now that there will be more sun she'll be outside most of the time. In the past dogs were tied on farms, now no more, she's in the fenced net.
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robi210719. 01. 2017 13:26:56
GričarA, I completely agree with you. It also seems inconsistent to me to consider oneself an animal lover and at the same time support the meat industry that profits from animal suffering and killing. That's why I myself more than 20 years ago took what I think is the only logical step: I stopped eating them. So no animals are bred or killed in my name. I also consume eggs and milk only occasionally and am actually giving them up. I like that you pointed this out, as it's certainly worth thinking about, but still it seems to me that this debate has strayed far into other waters that have little to do with mountains.
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Guest19. 01. 2017 17:45:20
Hello, Hello, but the conversation isn't going in that direction about what someone puts on the plate. What food a person enjoys is purely an individual thing. I recommend we all read the first page to remember how and with what question it all started. We're quite far, quite far....
"I'm new to hiking and I need......
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robi210719. 01. 2017 20:34:26
Take another look at GričarA's comment. It was just a response to his (her) remark "And we all consider ourselves animal loversconfused" If someone already throws in something like that, I'll just reply that animal lovers are such and different, otherwise I didn't intend to. Anyway, there was already talk before about Hitler, dog-loving and dog-hating, about animal character and much more, which is quite far from the original topic. Besides, none of the above commentators struck like lightning from clear sky with some X topic, but everyone connected to what one of his (her) predecessors wrote. Well, one of the immanent features of all forums.
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robi210718. 02. 2017 03:38:40
A month ago there was a debate here about how dogs shouldn't run free around the hills. In principle I agree, but on my last ascent to Kamniško sedlo I had a very sympathetic adventure that shows that a dog in the mountains, even if unleashed, isn't necessarily something bad. No thing is just black or white, but there are many shades of gray in between. Since this is more of a dog section, I'll describe my adventure here, but if the moderator thinks my writing fits better in another section, he can move my comment.

It was like this. Two days ago I started early in the morning, still dark, from the parking lot in front of the Dom in KB and I wasn't far when I saw another car arrive at that parking lot. I went on, turned into the hill, ascended slowly and soon heard panting behind me. I got a bit startled and at that moment a dog similar to a German shepherd ran past me and calmly continued its way. I thought it was the dog of that mountaineer who came after me, and the dog in its impatience went a bit ahead. So I continued my path slowly, the four-legger was never far from me either. Somewhere before the lower station of the cable car on KS the mentioned mountaineer caught up with me, we exchanged a few words, and it turned out the dog wasn't his. We went together for a few minutes, then the mountaineer hurried ahead, and the dog disappeared from my sight. I thought: "Aha, sold soul, you go with the first one that comes by." I continued alone for a while, then a bit above the path coming from Jermance, the four-legger suddenly joined me again. I admit I was glad to see him. Then he went ahead again, more or less on his own, but never far from me. At the junction for Repov kot he waited for me and when he saw where my path led, he also headed up. Again he mostly ran on his own, a bit left, a bit right, waited for me in between so I could put on crampons, then flew a bit on his own again and finally waited for me at Pastirci. There he was panting quite hard, the poor guy's tongue was hanging out of his mouth and I saw he was thirsty. I offered him tea, as it was the only liquid I had, but he wasn't interested. But he managed on his own and ate some snow. I gave him a piece of sandwich which he devoured with pleasure, and a bite of nut-bar which he first sniffed cautiously, then ate it anyway. The continuation of the ascent then went according to the seen scenario: me behind, dog in front, in between he even climbed a big rock and looked around a bit. Slowly we finally reached the hut and since I'm not healthy if I don't go to the end, I did those few meters to the edge of the saddle. Actually I went to see where the footprints lead to Brana, then walked along the edge to the flag and then descended back to the hut. The dog faithfully followed me all the time, a few times I even had to chase him away from the edge so he wouldn't accidentally fall over. At the hut we then brotherly shared the sandwich, meanwhile other mountaineers slowly arrived. The four-legger's share of the sandwich obviously didn't satisfy him, so he begged a bit from the other mountaineers, then it was time for descent and somehow I felt obliged to bring down my companion too. He was still sniffing around other mountaineers, but responded obediently to my call and headed down. This time too he was much faster than me and soon I lost sight of him. I thought he joined the mountaineer who started down a bit before me, and I didn't see him until KB. Since I was a bit worried if he returned safely to the valley, I asked at the first house past the Dom in KB if they perhaps have a German shepherd. It turned out the dog was theirs and that he often joins mountaineers along the path when they let him a bit, but they were very surprised when I told them he accompanied me all the way to the top. And that he hadn't returned yet. At home the worry didn't let me rest anyway, so the next day I asked them via SMS if the dog returned. I was very happy when they replied he returned completely OK, but then lay all afternoon because he was so exhausted. Which is not surprising at all, since the poor guy did the entire ascent and some extra kilometers running back and forth like that.

The described adventure has no intention of giving some lesson, except that a dog is a perfectly suitable companion in the mountains and, if well brought up, also non-disruptive to other mountain visitors (unless someone has excessive fear of dogs). It's more about an unusual and fun story. Of course, based on my description, every dog lover can conclude that the ascent to the hut on KS is a perfectly suitable trip for a four-legger.
Do you have anything to eat??1
Come on, let's go to the hut.2
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Janezs18. 02. 2017 19:03:19

The same happened to us when we were descending from Pece. Suddenly there were 5 of us on K-24. Halfway a sympathetic dog joined us. I quickly realized from his behavior that besides hikers he was also interested in game; all the way to the valley he was on the lookout, checking and sniffing tracks. In the valley the owner came to pick him up and I told him that too: "This dog goes chasing game into the forest." When Uroš and I were walking the last part of the Karavanks, he accompanied us from Mitnik to Poštarski dom. We had too weak sandwiches because he just sniffed them. We chased him home several times, but it was all in vain.
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VanSims27. 05. 2017 21:44:41
Animals I met on last year's wanderings in Brabant, Auvergne and Austria.

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iUnknown28. 05. 2017 17:24:35
But this interests me.

I often see various signs saying: Dogs on leash. For those who can't read, it's often also drawn so they'll surely get what the sign is for. But many dog owners don't even understand the little drawing. I don't know if IQ is also to blame, not just illiteracy.
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John28. 05. 2017 21:06:33
Robi2017, nicely written and it holds so true... dog-man's best friendwinking
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turbo29. 05. 2017 18:45:32
But this interests me.

The section title is "Where to go with a dog", but some talk about cows and donkeys and others about fears and prejudices.

In the flowers section I haven't read yet how to go past the flowers because those with hay fever have problems... or how it's possible that some go on grass even where it says not to walk and similar...

Everything that has no connection to dog trips has no place here. Let it be in the section "Animals in mountains and valleys" say, or in "This bothers me".

I won't describe last year's adventures in the Current conditions forum and I won't classify the tour to Zadnjiški ozebnik in Karavanke.

Actually this of mine would also fit in some other section rolling
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Redneck30. 05. 2017 19:39:32
iUnknown: where in the hills have you seen signs that the dog must be on a leash?
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darinka430. 05. 2017 20:14:01
If you go along the middle Čavenski path to Kucelj or to Mala gora.
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VanSims31. 05. 2017 17:33:34
I'm finding this interesting.

In the time of modern electronic devices, some people still write down their observations about their surroundings (say, even in the mountains) in notebooks. Investing in these devices wouldn't cost them that much since they're cheap today.

Because in the fifties of the last century, when the Americans developed a ballpoint pen for a couple hundred thousand (read today certainly a few million) dollars that wrote in weightless and airless space, the Russians just wrote with pencils on their space missions, the technological conditions were completely different and in favor of the latter, who saved with that.
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Redneck1. 06. 2017 21:02:06
Darinka: Wildlife zone... Logical...

Anywhere else?
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sirt12. 06. 2017 16:48:58
Redneck-Go to some mountain, and you'll surely see them!
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