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| pantani130. 11. 2013 16:29:37 |
Fifi, I totally sign under what you wrote!!! 
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| urbancek30. 11. 2013 16:54:42 |
How can someone write something objectively?  
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| viharnik30. 11. 2013 16:58:25 |
You have to describe tours as you yourself see the conditions on the terrain, which Igor from GRS also advised, not how you went up without this and that, no snow, came down the back side, left gloves at the fence in the valley, got to the top in one hour etc. Such a description doesn't help anyone at all, it even strongly misleads.
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| gams4430. 11. 2013 19:21:11 |
so you don't discover hot water 
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| vetrc30. 11. 2013 22:04:54 |
and also to Grintovec: a bit below Kokrško saddle I'll do a snowpack profile, then I'll go back down to the fallen trees above the lower cable car station, there I'll turn around and go safely to Kokrško and further to the top 
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| julius30. 11. 2013 23:04:39 |
@vetrc
at your age you could be a bit more sensible.
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| panda1. 12. 2013 08:44:10 |
Everyone knows for themselves what they can do. If they "miscalculate" they get rewarded with an entry in the black chronicle.
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| viharnik1. 12. 2013 09:26:10 |
Unconditionally, because now the protruding rocks slice you up nicely, so it'll be even easier for the crematorium.
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| strelec19541. 12. 2013 10:27:29 |
@Fifi, very well written and described
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| dprapr1. 12. 2013 11:27:18 |
Yes, if there wasn't that paragraph in between:
"it is necessary to publish conditions as OBJECTIVELY as possible since every person has their own extremes and with that we can literally send another to death, because the 45-year-old poor guy ignorantly compared himself to a more experienced 25-year-old or to a fool who challenged fate? Only God knows what can distinguish that smile"
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| lizika1. 12. 2013 12:37:01 |
By the way,
ascent to Rinke and/or Grintovec in the snow, even when there's just a little snow and conditions aren't quite optimal, isn't such a feat that it needs praising on several pages, right?! Then it goes a bit to his head, and...
Eh, good luck and stay healthy
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| janez.novak1. 12. 2013 13:01:27 |
I agree with lizika about the technical ease of the tour from Kamniška Bistrica first to Grintovec, then back and to Kamniško sedlo, but we must admit he covered over 3000 elevation meters, which is a lot for this time. Despite technical ease, at such speed a slip or fall can happen quickly, which can mean... hello 112. About times: This year at 59 I needed good 3 hours from Bistrica to the saddle, and no traumas, if redbul did the route in half the time - many younger than me would need much more time for it.
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| JusAvgustin1. 12. 2013 13:33:54 |
ah those times... Dejan next time go via Jame or route PVZ, well or at least via Dolge stene, you're obviously too fast over the roof...
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| redbull1. 12. 2013 14:48:50 |
You're right Juš,, when I was at the top I regretted not going via jame,, there was enough good snow.
About Viharnik I can say that everyone is already asking who this Viharnik with 55 min is and it's already making Kuhar a bit scared that he might break some record.
lp
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| viharnik1. 12. 2013 15:26:01 |
Kuhar up, Kuhar down. Back then I had so much condition that I could run and run and wasn't even out of breath, of course with only 66kg then. I ran of course in summer, up I drank only about 3dl of untaxed mountain water in the hut. Of course I've meditated since small, which shows in energy storage and cultivated, directed, even pulse under load. If you have only clock, ego and modern thinking in your head, then the time is accordingly.
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| knap42271. 12. 2013 15:45:50 |
Hi, greetings from Grintovec from me and a few like-minded. Start at Suhadolnik, up via taško to the top, back around. Avalanche danger is really minimal, winter gear still needed. Some snapshots in pics, lp Matej.
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| JusAvgustin1. 12. 2013 18:08:56 |
Matej, when you go with me the beer and flask stay "in the valley"?!
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| knap42271. 12. 2013 18:18:32 |
I consume it myself, others carry it for me
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| dprapr1. 12. 2013 18:24:09 |
Juš, maybe you're pushing him too much, so he watches every gram of weight!
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| zmrz-lee1. 12. 2013 18:44:31 |
Today (1.12.) during the ascent to Grintovec from Kamniška Bistrica I lost a black Craft Swiss t-shirt with a red seam on the sleeve.
Since December is the time of gift-giving, the honest finder will surely get some treat upon return... and lots of gratitude.
Lp, Jure, 031/502-467
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