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| redbull21. 03. 2014 07:18:19 |
 you didn't read well at all what I wrote. I was interested if the road is passable due to snow, if it's forbidden I don't care. if you do tours around 10-12 hours then every minute counts or sleep. true though if you're only going to GRint then you can already go Peski from Stahovica, if it suits you.
the path is surely trodden
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| Mokara21. 03. 2014 10:41:01 |
Has anyone gone up there on skis in the last few days? How is it for skiing and how far can you ski down?
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| Domch21. 03. 2014 19:10:41 |
It's the same, 20 min or half an hour or an hour. If you like walking then it's no problem. If you cut across a bit further from the turnoff to Kamniško sedlo you come out up at one bend, then you're quickly at Žagana peč and then Konec is already close . It's surely not steeper than the path further to Kokrsko sedlo. The path is trodden according to my info, with ice axe and crampons no major issues, except postholing in warm hours.
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| jax21. 03. 2014 20:19:18 |
If you like walking then it's no problem.
Well, us mountaineers enjoy walking in the mountains mainly, not in the valleys 
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| smatjaz21. 03. 2014 20:30:06 |
G_K, don't get me wrong, these words aren't meant as criticism, but the paths from the homestead in Kamniška Bistrica are used for driving livestock to pastures as well as for timber extraction (though not every day). People have the bad habit of parking our tin cans everywhere there's a little space, which foresters often use for timber extraction and storage for easier access of transport trucks, which really hinders their work. In nice weather tons of cars gather there and work is impossible. That's just part of the story, the fact is the road is damaged precisely because of such work and natural disasters, which need to be done and that's what it's intended for, hiking and access is secondary here on this road, because there's a section of hiking trails that crosses the road and shortens time. I fully understand that saving half an hour means a lot on return, but I think if you factor it into the tour planning time, it works out, like you have to count that when heading to Triglav from Pokljuka you need 5-6 hours etc.  Redbull, you're anyway too fast in KSA, good thing you manage to brake at Grintovec from speed so you don't fall to Jezersko  Basically it's all about a regulation to get something out of it, attempt to make traffic up there easier also for foresters and so if your car gets damaged you have no one to complain to. They still leave the option to drive up and they fine you if you're unlucky. If it weren't so there'd be a barrier below like many places elsewhere in Slovenia. To some extent they've achieved that some of us (me too) now park below and not like before up top.
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| G_K22. 03. 2014 00:17:22 |
smatjaz, I agree with you and thanks for the explanation. To be honest I didn't know what purpose this road serves, since I'm rarely around here. I just wanted to emphasize that although an extra hour for a route doesn't sound much, but at the end of the day when you're using your last atoms of strength, it's huge. And I myself have more than 2 hours by car one way... at the end of the day I'm exhausted
But from now on I'll park below too, safe is safe
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| urarrr22. 03. 2014 09:35:40 |
@smatjaz
closing various forest roads is nothing but a political decision. If you ask me it's a big stupidity. On this topic I've had a few meetings with competent mayors. Because some people want to own the roads and when they see a foreigner there's already nervousness in the air... then they go to the municipality pestering until a sign is put up.... usually because of a very narrow circle of people... who demand closure supposedly because of fire risk and passage of firefighters, because of trucks etc....
And no mistake. I'm a forest owner where the road is closed because of hikers.... of course it came to that only because of one person... because if you forget a document in this country you have to carry everything...
But I agree that if a car blocks the road, it should be towed away immediately to another place....
And a small correction to your writing... don't think that someone can damage your vehicle if you left it where you shouldn't. The competent service can tow it, you can get a fine....etc
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| dprapr22. 03. 2014 14:29:50 |
Interesting how we can wander in the mountains all day, but if we have to walk a bit in the valley, a "political" problem arises. Not to mention the marked path to Jermanca, because it's a really pleasant forest walk uphill.
The only thing that bothers me is that there's no real barrier if the road is closed. Like it's arranged in many places in the Julian Alps. Who's going to walk if others happily dust him with their cars. Either ban driving for all or let everyone drive without a bad conscience.
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| dino22. 03. 2014 14:32:34 |
Is this the hribi.net website? 
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| redbull22. 03. 2014 15:26:30 |
go lie down,, today there were 12 cars at Konec.
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| jprim22. 03. 2014 18:10:50 |
I'll throw in something completely unrelated. For quite some time some of us have been trying for a solid level of writing on this website, but I see the moderator still doesn't monitor various rude remarks enough, which should be deleted more often, then one would really think what to write so it's not offensive and impatient towards others,... and maybe occasionally make a period and capital letter.
Safe steps!
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| SamoK22. 03. 2014 18:27:07 |
Tolerance is really lacking! Those who want to go on foot, let them go on foot, the hiking trail doesn't go along the road anyway. I don't understand why an occasional car bothers a "true" hiker. This is an eternal problem with us. Tolerance towards those who don't hinder anyone, have just a slightly different approach and their own views!
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| smatjaz22. 03. 2014 20:06:14 |
urarr, your observation is correct, everything that happens in the banana republic is with the blessing of politics and for the benefit of politics or very little and even that at the expense of individuals or organizations that are already struggling anyway, because if there's none of that, nothing happens at all. Actually, the road closure is intended for purposes as I wrote, even though foresters haul wood 30 days a year, even though intervention happens maybe every three years, even though firefighters haven't been up there for 10 years maybe...etc,etc. The fact is that politics sees profit right away in what should serve some good purpose and that becomes priority immediately, otherwise it couldn't even be closed for "bureaucratic" reasons.
But I didn't write about intentional vehicle damage, but about unfortunate cases like animals dragging logs, damage due to road damage..... in this case you can only use kasko if you have it, about other reimbursement you can only dream, because your vehicle shouldn't be there.
That they closed the road to you as forest owner because of hikers I don't quite believe, because every forest owner (except national parks-but even they can with permits) has full legal right and duty (emphasis on duty) to maintain the forest with agricultural or forestry equipment on existing paths or temporarily made paths (which the forest service can also designate) in a way that minimal damage is done in the forest. If this happens in the area of hiking trails, they must be properly secured so no one gets hurt. God forbid something happens to a hiker because of poorly maintained forest, then the devil will come, what you have now is nothing compared to what awaits you then. That's why hiking trails were officially closed after the ice storm, even though many took fallen trees for trimming. It was about cleaning and damage remediation work and consequent danger related to wood hauling and fallen and broken unstable trees.
In short, I wrote about thoughts on the original purpose and not on profiting some local or state authorities, everywhere there's just a small chance to pull benefit.
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| smatjaz22. 03. 2014 20:12:29 |
gams, anyway waste of words for this bickering and know-it-all up here, since you saw what participation was like at the action, in two months or even sooner some guys will surely complain how poorly the paths are cleared. As urarr wrote paper endures everything, but for action there must be some in the pants too, right?
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| urarrr22. 03. 2014 21:06:23 |
smatjaz
I agree with you, you just misunderstood me... another forest owner took care of the road closure. It's closed so hikers can't park....meaning the same as at K.Bistrica...
which I think is stupid...
although I'm also owner of a plot on this road it didn't even cross my mind to request closure because we clear the plot once every 5 years....
and if everywhere municipal officials were so compliant for road closures...it would be...you know what..
lp
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| smatjaz22. 03. 2014 21:28:45 |
I completely agree with you. I think it would be much better if municipal officials, foresters and hikers joined together and arranged parking for hikers and also foresters, since there will be more and more of them year by year not less, and thus arranged stationary traffic for the benefit and satisfaction of all and on wood hauling days just put signs that parking is closed those few days, just so the stuff is transported then it would be available to hikers again. Something similar I saw on the tour to Stegovnik.
To be completely frank I'm pretty fed up with this bickering on this forum and when someone gives a good suggestion or thought immediately some "clowns" gnaw it to the bone. After all this forum should be for exchanging data and experiences from tours and things related to hiking and not some "vent" for releasing personal pressure.
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| elpadre23. 03. 2014 11:59:50 |
so we don't just debate which road you'll close, better let someone tell what the path to Grintovec via Kokrško sedlo from K. Bistrica is like
thanks
lp
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| redbull23. 03. 2014 19:44:48 |
Beautiful Saturday weather
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| planinc8929. 03. 2014 12:08:11 |
Has anyone been to Grintovec these days? I'm interested in conditions because I plan to go to the top tomorrow.
thanks
lp!
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| Janiel744. 04. 2014 08:37:05 |
I'm also interested in conditions for Grintovec? From Cojzova gora? Thanks
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