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| dprapr11. 08. 2024 18:03:30 |
Why rate difficulty on a marked path? Join an AO and you'll learn difficulty ratings in the walls.
And walking on a secured path and deliberately not using the protections, is dangerous and irresponsible. To yourself and to possible companions.
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| Tomco11. 08. 2024 21:55:59 |
@dprapr: You're right, safety must always come first. I didn't intend to promote this practice and it's by no means a regular thing from my side. Least of all on even more demanding paths like this one we're talking about here. I agree and can only endorse your comment.
But still. There can be exceptions. Specifically here on the path from Kotovo sedlo the rock is mostly very compact and super featured, it was a real pleasure to grab it. I also understand people who sometimes comment that on some ZPP there's more iron than necessary. What "necessary" means is of course often completely individual, so I think it's no sin to grab good rock instead of a peg on ZPP sometimes. Of course as long as you don't endanger others' safety. I can say I didn't do anything that was outside my own comfort zone, nor would I do something like that on such a path if I were in a more "beginner" phase.
But yeah, not to philosophize too much, in the long term I'll have to think about joining some AO. Before I actually start doing any bigger stupidities 
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| dprapr12. 08. 2024 06:17:57 |
In Austrian mountains there are beautiful paths that are only marked and rated for difficulty. But they are equipped with bolts for possible belaying. Just yesterday I was on a beautiful hill, Admonter Reichenstein, which has only such a path to the top.
I miss such paths with us. With us they over-iron every path and deprive you of the pleasure of climbing. That's why such behaviors and questions similar to yours appear then.
I wish you safe on the paths.
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| Lukito12. 08. 2024 09:25:23 |
If you really wanna try it somewhat "responsibly", take a via ferrata kit and clip in. Then once clipped climb without using pegs or cables. If you fall you won't go to the bottom, consequences just a bump or... worse. Of course own responsibility.
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| Trobec12. 08. 2024 13:24:48 |
Visoka Rezjanka is such example of "marked pathless" (just marks no protections) and this one's at least half ours...main part along the border 
Or from Bavški Grintavec over Brdo. Still in path register, but no protections, almost no marks anymore.
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| Lukito12. 08. 2024 13:29:14 |
Isn't the path closed at B. Grintavec?
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| Trobec12. 08. 2024 13:37:02 |
Over Kanjo. Over Brdo, as far as I know, no... unless something new.
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| darinka412. 08. 2024 13:37:59 |
From Bavšica over Vrh Ruš, Vrh Brda and over Mali Grintavec the path is long but open.
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| lijaneja30. 08. 2024 15:48:23 |
This year's winter ascent went down the drain, so yesterday I replaced it with a summer one.
Now I'm used to getting up early , even in the dark I step onto the white road towards Tamar. In front of the hut peaceful silence, so I don't disturb the idyll and immediately shift into second gear. Wonderful walking in morning coolness, in Mali kot I turn right into steepness, where sun soon greets me. At bivouac I don't stop but rush past, in first rocks above Kotovo sedlo I put down poles. Almost to the top I enjoy shady climbing. Up top I meet three, four people, no hurry down. Some wire ropes very loose, one piton dangling, huge rock leaning on one wire rope, so it's tense like a string. Since I had plenty of time, weather showed no changes, I visited Mali Jalovec and Špica v Planji too, at fresh bivouac stayed good hour.
After feast in hut then looong hike on white road. 
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| velocy31. 10. 2024 19:50:32 |
So as not to tire with countless pics like the predecessor - up and down via Kot, all dry. Path branching right at Kotovo sedlo beautiful, comfortable, scree descent terrible.
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| velocy31. 10. 2024 19:50:36 |
Not to tire with countless pics like predecessor - up and down via Kot, all dry. Path branching right at Kotovo sedlo beautiful, comfortable, scree descent terrible.
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| lijaneja31. 10. 2024 20:15:08 |
I see you love texts more
Without 'getting tired', you can delete the clone.
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| Janez5231. 10. 2024 21:52:23 |
The days of my hikes to higher mountains are over. That's why I'm really grateful to everyone who posts pictures, so I can relive memories a bit.
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| gor_nik2. 11. 2024 12:54:20 |
I join Janez's opinion.
Such pictures, especially if equipped with captions, are not only interesting, but very useful and welcome for many hikers. This has nothing to do with Instagram or Facebook culture.
I hope that @lijaneja and others don't stop "tiring".
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| dprapr2. 11. 2024 18:48:23 |
Everyone sooner or later comes to the point where they like to look at pictures and remember… It's hard for the young and full of energy to understand this.
I also think that pictures in describing conditions on the trail itself mean more than the note next to it. The note is always subjective, can be misleading, especially if anonymous. A picture always shows the real state. If posted right after the hike and not after two months, as some on this forum habitually do.
How many pictures someone posts is entirely their business. I think for now it's not determined how many we can post.
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| Jusk2. 11. 2024 20:45:04 |
"If we post it right after the hike and not after two months, as some on this forum have the habit of doing." I agree, but obviously some can, and even get praise (to put it nicely) for tours from 2-4 months ago aha, and selfies are mandatory
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| Janez522. 11. 2024 22:52:52 |
The view on how old pictures we can post on this forum depends on what information we're looking for. If I'm wondering what the current conditions on a certain trail are, it's obvious that two-month-old pictures don't show current conditions. However, if like me we enjoy beautiful shots from the mountains, then two-month-old pictures are welcome too. I also think that any kind of limiting posts on this forum, or determining which posts are "right" and which aren't, would be harmful. Except limiting when it comes to deliberate rude and offensive posts.
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| andrejp30. 12. 2024 08:28:38 |
has anyone been up there recently? conditions?
thanks
Andrej
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| lijaneja30. 12. 2024 10:16:47 |
Careful, strong inversion coming!
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| andrejp30. 12. 2024 13:17:30 |
Yes, I know, thanks... the decision will be sensible.
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