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Kokrska and Jezerska Kočna

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ljubitelj gora17. 03. 2012 20:34:20
over Dolce
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ljubitelj gora17. 03. 2012 21:41:40
They should at least replace the logbook, since the last entry was last yearzadrega
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ljubitelj gora18. 03. 2012 10:16:18
@vespa yesterday as a group there were 5 of us altogether, we split up a bit, if you happened to see someone jumping up between Kokrska-Jezerska Kočna then you know who it was, namely I was 3x on Jezerska Kočna, sat on the rocks and enjoyed the views, beauties and every time I look at these mountains they overwhelm me.velik nasmeh
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redbull25. 03. 2012 07:05:53
I'm interested, for this part Kočna-Grintovec - which hut provides info on conditions for this part. thanks for reply.

lp

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viharnik25. 03. 2012 08:09:19
For now no one, because the huts are still closed. In case of destruction of any part of the path (rockfalls, damaged fixed ropes from lightning, falling rocks from soil erosion) the mountaineering societies managing the paths are primarily responsible for alerting (setting up warning signs). Nearby hut keepers are soon informed about such a problem, if not even first from hikers heading to the mountain.
As for snow and ice on paths, everyone must carry ice axe and crampons and helmet as essential equipment on harder ascents, until the snow on the mountain melts. Even in summer, snow freezes in clear nights in high mountains.
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som6931. 03. 2012 20:02:47
Today from Suhadolnik to bivouac in Kočna, Kokrška and Jezerska Kočna and over Dolška škrbina to Grintovec, then over winter passage back to Suhadolnik. Conditions are ok, best where there is snow, which is hard and one walks nicely on it. The most annoying is the passage between both Kočnas, which is neither fish nor fowl, neither bare nor snowy, quite a bit of scraping, or crampons 10 times up and down.
And a warning: Kočna is already known for friability, but what happened today is even worse, especially lively in its gullies: projectiles (rocks) flying from all sides, if you're not careful no helmet helps, a couple of such big ones (dia 15cm) missed me by about three meters.
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dprapr1. 07. 2012 11:25:44
Yesterday's nice, but warm day my brother and I used to visit Kočne. We headed to the NW ridge of Kočna. We parked the car in Makekove Kočne valley and climbed to Veliki vrh. It really is steep that path from the isolated hut in the forest upwards! On Veliki vrh the sun shone on us and teased us with sun rays during the whole ascent while photographing the ridge. At the beginning the path is very nice, we walk also on grass between larches. When larches end, the fight with bushes begins, searching passages between increasingly difficult rocky steps practically to the Oltarji. Behind Oltarji and already a bit before them the ridge becomes technically demanding. The hardest is the passage over the tower right after Oltarji summit. There we belayed and higher in the ridge in a short vertical wall, which has huge holds. Further it would be easier if the sun and heat hadn't killed us.
After seven hours we arrived at Na križu summit, from there to Kokrška and Jezerska Kočna and then just down to Češka koča for a beer. After a short stop at Češka koča we arrived at the car in the valley after eleven hours.
At the end of the tour we both agreed that the ridge is very "loooong" and very strenuous. Mainly because of the bushes appearing in a considerable part of the ridge.
While we were up, someone in the valley played with the car. Unscrewed the screws from the decorative wheel cap and took them, left the cap by the car. I don't know what that means - if he really needed those screws, or if it annoys someone that parking there.
And one more thing I'd like to add - I'm not a fan of via ferratas, but why the hell don't they secure the lying passage towards Kočnas with some cable. The passage is already so polished that it's really dangerous.
Best to all who enjoy mountains despite the heat!
Morning in Makekova Kočna.1
Below Veliki vrh the ridge reveals itself in all its magnitude.2
Veliki vrh.3
Enjoying under the larches.4
The ridge in front of us.5
Not in Vrata!6
There are few such grassy areas.7
View from Oltarji to the ridge towards Veliki vrh.8
Now it gets serious. The three-headed tower below in the center guards the passage ahead.9
The ridge becomes more friendly. Up there one difficult spot still awaits us, which however has great holds.10
In the back Jezerska Kočna is already peeking out.11
One day everything will collapse into the valley.12
Another future goal.13
Now just downhill past Kolesa.14
Flowers were also found.15
Kočna, thanks for the nice day!16
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Volk1. 07. 2012 14:37:34
Dprapr, congrats to both!
Undoubtedly an exceptional tour.

Best and safe.
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lijaneja1. 07. 2012 16:29:46
Dprapr, nice route that I haven't done yet. Yes, the passage at the foot of Koolesa will probably remain unsecured as a landmark. You take off your backpack and drag it through the narrower part of the passage, which luckily is only a few meters long.
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dprapr1. 07. 2012 18:59:11
In that narrower lower part there's no problem stepping under the edge where the footholds are. No need to take off the backpack, the problem is the very polished rock. For those used only to secured paths, crawling with backpack along is probably really the only option. That's why it's so polished - more and more. For greater safety, since it's already a secured path, a cable wouldn't hurt.
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SilvestrO2. 07. 2012 14:40:53
Dprapr, EMŠO knede, I know that feeling ...zavijanje z očmi
,...that's why even bigger congrats!
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dprapr3. 07. 2012 07:23:30
What can we do, years are passing. We have to make use of what's left. There are plenty of young people in the mountains, so no worry mountains will be deserted.
I'm glad that even in these modest KSA there are secluded areas where we can enjoy.
SilvestrO - I noticed you're also looking for secluded "paths" in the Julians.
Thanks for the congrats and best regards!
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ksena8. 07. 2012 18:36:35
On Saturday, 7.7. we ascended from Ravenska Kočna via Češka Koča to Jezersko and then Kokrsko Kočna. Path bp, at the top fog was swirling (shortly after 9:00), but on descent to the notch between the two Kočnas it cleared up and morning sun awaited us on Kokrska Kočna. We descended the same way to Češka Koča, then via interesting, nicely routed and well secured path continued to Kranjska Koča na Ledinah.
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towards Češka koča2
along the ridge towards Jezerska Kočna3
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The famous passage for lie - crawl skills :)6
Jezerska Kočna got foggy7
towards Kokrska Kočna8
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across Žrelo towards Ledine13
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evening at Ledine15
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jax19. 07. 2012 21:01:26
Today finally to Kočna (actually both). Standard route: Suhadolnik-Grdi Graben-Dolci-bivak-Kokrska Kočna-Jezerska Kočna-Dolška Škrbina-Dolci-Kokrsko Sedlo-Suhadolnik.
What can I say about the path? Grdi Graben is, with due respect to the upper rocky part, in my opinion the hardest part of the tour. Nomen est omen. The crossing is on the edge of suicide, the grass is monstrously steep, the path barely exists. Luckily not very wet today and it somehow went. Highlight definitely the few-meter descent down almost vertical muddy gully. Hello? Luckily there's a cable there, otherwise I really don't know how it would go. In defense of Grdi Graben I can say only that it's really that bad only in the shorter central part, the rest is manageable. Somewhere there when you steeply descend into that gully, the hardest is more or less over.
Further: Dolci are one of many high mountain corners that almost exceed kitsch border. But still nice when you get there and think that not everyone can ... (though not too bad over Ovnov Čir).
Ascent over scree still strenuous. Up there clouds caught me and I was in small trouble, because on scree the path is of course very hard to mark and hard to follow in poor visibility. But luckily lots of cairns, so it went.
Path to Kokrska Kočna pure pleasure. Really, almost unsecured, but extremely nicely routed and nowhere really hard. Real gymnastics.
On Kokrska Kočna hurricane wind. Didn't even linger, though summit nice and spacious. Terrifying gusts followed me practically the whole tour almost to Suhadolnik.
Ridge path nicely routed and mostly well secured, at two spots pegs worn, but with some care it goes (harder in the other direction). A bit harder that passage over chimneys just before Jezerska Kočna, where I uttered some curses and was grateful for some climbing experience. On (or under, to the top grill I jumped just for a moment) Jezerska Kočna conditions calmed for a moment, still no special visibility. But I was very satisfied with the tour so far, though the belly passage hung over me like Damocles' sword.
Descent to Dolška Škrbina like this: overall easier than path over K. Kočna, that little chimney under summit is secured (admittedly somewhat awkwardly placed pegs and loose cable, but usable), with some sober head it goes. Then mostly no problems, belly passage totally overrated (as for difficulty). I understand problems of those very plump or maybe claustrophobic, but really no problem to squeeze through there. And I'm quite stocky. Before I was afraid my rucksack might tumble into abyss, but not very likely. No need for cable here in my view, since passage neither demanding nor dangerous. But interesting, something special. There's also something else that stuck in memory. Overlooked in description (and at Stritar) steep chimney just above Dolška Škrbina. Already after turnoff to Češka Koča, when one thinks all bad is over, marks go straight down. I thought hello, surely bypass, but path goes there. And not couple moves, but about twenty meters almost straight very steeply down. Here, my opinion, HERE a cable would be needed. Not in belly though. Quite some nerves needed to downclimb that. Reward was scree under Dolška Škrbina. Then I decided not to go back to Grdi Graben and rather crossed over Ovnov Čir. That's some extra elevation, path nice and scenic. Still not to underestimate - though much easier than Grdi Graben, basically still same thing - crossing very steep slopes on narrow path where slip is basically forbidden. But ok, sure footstep goes. Day ended with beer at Kokrsko Sedlo, must admit very satisfied with the tour. Beautiful, varied, demanding, strenuous, actually all that (at least marked) hills can offer. Kočna definitely not for everyone, but highly recommend to those who can handle it.
Oh, and one more: even when you descend to Kokrsko and watch all those coming from Grintavec, you feel good mežikanje
By the way: some pics taken. If I judge worth posting among all pro photographers, maybe I will.
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dprapr8. 08. 2012 08:54:55
After two ridges of Kokrska Kočna came the north ridge of Jezerska Kočna. With brother yesterday we climbed two summits in this ridge, but didn't approach Jezerska Kočna summit because no view anyway at that height.
We started the ridge at Vratca above Češka Koča and continued along ridge until passability directed us left into steep wall with larches. At last larch difficulty increased and we used rope belay. After 30m we reached gully with two steps and then right to ridge. From there no more problems to summit of Zeleni Kup.
From Zeleni Kup to marked path we avoided ridge difficulties in left slope.
Continued on marked path toward Jezerska Kočna and after "lying" passage in second gully turned right up to next summit named Koles. South side no view, north mostly to valley and lower summits.
Since time left and no heat, continued toward Grintovec and below Grintovec turned toward Mlinarsko Sedlo and down to Češka Koča and valley.
Ridge not too long, not many dwarf pines, but has one short pitch behind last larch quite difficult (extremely steep, partly grassy). And higher on ridge one demanding spot, which we avoided left into scrubby slope.
Ridge below Vratca.1
Viewed from above, only a large hole remains of Čedca.2
The difficulty of the ridge led us into the left gully.3
Extremely steep terrain.4
Belay stance behind the larch.5
Below, path to Vratca.6
Summit of Zeleni kup, behind part of Veliki kup and Veliki vrh.7
Descent into the notch behind Zeleni kup.8
Ridge.9
Partly grassy.10
Steep passages, Zeleni kup behind.11
Steep, crumbly.12
Zeleni kup from the already marked Kremžarjeva path.13
Flower garden under Kolo.14
Gully up which we climbed to the Kolesa ridge.15
View to the south side.16
Better view from the top of Kolesa into Makekove Kočna valley with Veliki kup.17
At Mlinarsko sedlo.18
Northern ridge of Jezerska Kočna.19
They enchant you everywhere.20
The friendliness of Češka koča shows at every step.21
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Tonika24. 09. 2012 20:33:49
Yesterday from Jezersko via Kremžarjeva to Kokrska and Jezerska Kočna.
Towards the summit fog, wind and cold, real winter conditions.
Snow patches were not big problems, the path was partly icy and required more caution. Met no one.
Due to fog no views, so quickly descended back to Češka koča, refreshed with apple strudel and coffee. Over Žrelo to Vadine and via Slovenska to the valley. Pleasantly tired but happy. The sun awaited us in the valley.
early morning at Češka koča - view to peaks - where to go - all in fog1
well visible maxi marking...2
..look back...3
there we have to go...snow patches...4
uf, little space here....5
summit of Jezerska Kočna6
on Kokrska Kočna7
blisters - first aid8
in the window9
view towards Češka koča on lower Ledine10
across Žrelo11
Kranjska koča on Vadinah-Ledinah12
view...13
down Slovenski to the valley..14
view...15
autumn is coming...16
Planšarsko Lake17
Murijev Spring18
and this one for the end, hi-hi...19
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rb0117. 11. 2012 22:42:58
Today did route Suhadolnik-Grdi Graben-Kokrska Kočna-Dolška Škrbina-Suhadolnik. On path still patches of firm snow, so used crampons at two spots. Some went without and before Dolška Škrbina turned into gully on south side. North slopes still under snow.
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Jonny_21. 11. 2012 09:17:13
Thanks rb01, useful info.
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som6923. 11. 2012 20:11:06
The description was superbly done by predecessors, so nothing to add, but I'm interested in one other thing:
starting point was Suhi dol, I reached the ridge somewhere at 1400 m asl, interested in how the ridge is lower down, still before Suhadolnikzadrega
Kočna1
Mala vratca2
At the cross3
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kgregor20. 07. 2013 12:56:07
Yesterday on both Kočnas, conditions super, no more snow, nice views, slightly hazy due to distant mists. Started from Suhadolnik then via Grdi Graben to Kokrska Kočna, continuation to Jezerska Kočna and descent to Dolška Škrbina. Since Grintovec always in clouds I decided here for descent to Dolcev, then via Ovčji Čer to Cojzova Koča and back to valley. Nice quite long scenic path, yesterday completely solitary to top of Ovnov Čer. Maybe worth mentioning that two pegs on path between Kočnas at two cables are pulled out and need replacement.
Starting point1
Path across Grdi graben2
Dolci3
Kalški greben4
Start of scree 5
View towards Bivak v Kočni6
Towards the top of the scree 7
Snapshot from the climbing section8
View downwards9
Path to Kokrška Kočna10
Path to Kokrška Kočna11
Grintovec12
Storžič (approx.)13
Kokrška Kočna, 2520 m14
View of the next target, Jezersko Kočno15
Below the summit of Jezerska Kočna16
View of Kokrško Kočno from the top of Jezerska Kočna, 2540 m17
Here we will have to descend18
Here we had to crawl19
Scree on the path from Dolška škrbina20
Path over Ovnov čer21
On the pasture22
Cojzova hut at Kokrško sedlo23
Snapshot24
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Snapshot26
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