Kokrska and Jezerska Kočna
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| benson27. 10. 2013 16:48:08 |
Is it not too recommended to head up there one day now? The weather isn't forecasted to be great either ... 
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| Domch27. 10. 2013 19:25:34 |
According to my info, the path to Jezerska Kočna from Ravenska Kočna via Kremžar path is bare, snow-free and dry. So with suitable weather there shouldn't be any problems.
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| kwhtre28. 10. 2013 09:26:02 |
@benson: as I wrote 'problem' only last cca 20m below Jezerska Kočna where snow was a bit frozen and good to have at least ice axe - was 19.10. Otherwise end of video I posted shows how much snow up there week ago. Don't know now because quite warm last days.
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| Domch28. 10. 2013 10:11:15 |
The path is bare, talked to hikers who were up Saturday. All paths bare and dry.
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| benson29. 10. 2013 19:28:43 |
Excellent, weather also fairly nice for Thursday forecasted.. Ice axe just in case, and gas! Thanks for the answers 
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| Jonny_14. 01. 2014 22:01:22 |
On Saturday below both. Despite 2nd avalanche level, south slopes avalanching all day. Avoided Kokrska, turned back below Jezerska too because of big chute under summit, ascent not safe now and for a while.
Pics with descriptions: Picasa
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| jedriličar14. 01. 2014 22:13:49 |
Borrowed one of your pics and put it up, wonder if anyone has experience with that approach to Grintovec from the west side?
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| skalaš7015. 01. 2014 00:21:57 |
Jonny, this looks phenomenal, super pics as if it's not from around here.
Best regards and safe steps I wish you! ....gotta check this asap...
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| Jonny_15. 01. 2014 06:35:40 |
I told myself all day this doesn't look like from around here. Nice really, very. If you go, be maximally careful.
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| mukica15. 01. 2014 07:40:47 |
Nice, nice... looked many times already and will again... Thanks for sharing such wonderful pics with us
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| lukk15. 01. 2014 16:48:48 |
I'm interested if someone can tell me and show pics where the winter route goes and how demanding it is.
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| jedriličar15. 01. 2014 18:21:43 |
Here's a pic of Kocna, taken from Grintovec, and the most logical variant drawn in to Jezerska Kocna. For Kokrska, I don't know, maybe someone else will give you a pic from up there. Of course, in winter conditions these are alpinistic ascents and very demanding, both fitness-wise and technically, and require appropriate knowledge. Lp and stay safe .... 
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| smatjaz15. 01. 2014 19:01:59 |
Jedriličar, in summer the path to Kokrska Kočna goes on the lower slopes left past the bivouac under Kočna to the scree and in the middle of the scree left to the wall. How it is in winter, I don't know, because I don't dare, I don't have so much knowledge.
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| redbull15. 01. 2014 19:03:33 |
What do I know, if it's alpinistic to j.kocna
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| redbull15. 01. 2014 19:07:42 |
Similarly in winter past bivouac, through scree but not left to wall but along wall up gully, where a bit before end turn right (mark.). You have also some other variant here, but needs right snow
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| smatjaz15. 01. 2014 19:23:17 |
Thanks, I already imagine where this path is, but it's still too demanding for me, I'll drink a bit more schnapps and gain some experience then gooooo. 
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| jedriličar15. 01. 2014 19:57:23 |
@smatjaz: I know the summer paths to Kočne, I've walked them already, but here it's about winter variants with no relation to summer. For example, that winter path to J. Kočna is a scree chute in summer and you wouldn't get halfway up it. So I said I don't know winter paths to K. Kočna, but from the picture you can conclude a variant, but better info or picture with drawn path from someone who knows ... 
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| jedriličar15. 01. 2014 20:23:55 |
@redbull: alpinism definition: alpinistic ascent is climbing unmarked unsecured steep mountain terrain where alpinistic gear and technique are used for belay and progress. Ropes and snow pitons are not necessary for a winter ascent to be in the alpinistic category. Today tech allows slopes once only secured to be climbed free as pie, of course winter conditions, summer is different. So my claim that such ascents are alpinistic stands, because it no longer relates to hiking, and in winter conditions you won't reach the top without technical gear, so you meet the alpinism definition conditions....
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