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| arta11. 05. 2023 11:07:38 |
Janez, all praise, there are few such dedicated people in these times. Good luck on the mountain paths.
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| Janez Seliškar11. 05. 2023 21:11:01 |
As far as I know, the stance of the Trails Commission at PZS is that new paths should not be developed and marked.
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| tulipan12. 05. 2023 18:09:13 |
What about the old ones that no one maintains? Thanks Janez!
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| Janezs12. 05. 2023 18:53:13 |
I hesitated for a while whether to reply or not. I expected such a comment from Mr. Seliškar too, some stick to the "old shirt". Seliškar, look at the pictures above, picture no. 4. Is that still a mountain path??. No mistake. (And it would be much worse, I did that quickly, so it was passable.) To make it better, I'm willing to sacrifice my money, my time and effort, to invest in making a path as it should be. Although I'm 80 km away from this path in one direction. Because on this parcel there was a big windthrow in 2018-2019. I immediately started with friends removing fallen trees across the trail. I knew if we wait for the markers, it would take years. (Procedures and papers require their due.) At one meeting, the chief marker told me that there are few of them, a lot of work, and they can come to the same place every seven years. Here on this parcel a mess was created, that's why there are no markings, so I trimmed the stumps to paint new ones, I'll write others, even differently thinking will understand. Enough writing, greater benefit to invest time in the practical part of the path. Thanks everyone for likes, and I explain reproaches in my own way too. Nice greetings to all and enjoy the hills. JanezS. Some pictures when I was preparing material for steps. Snow wasn't helpful.
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| Janez Seliškar13. 05. 2023 07:07:03 |
"tulipan", about the work on mountain paths that I do along the way on my hikes, I could write many a story. To some it's too much to remove a dry branch lying across the path and they rather step over it.
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| dprapr13. 05. 2023 07:21:18 |
Paths maintain themselves with frequent walking. I've noticed this in recent years on pathless terrain and sections where weather disasters have done their work.
With our digging, nature only destroys them even more. I'm really curious what will happen to those logs in picture 5 with more storms. In the end on such processed paths you walk on pure stones. And sometimes on dangerous pegs driven into the ground that remain when the wood rots.
And there's nothing wrong if there's some obstacle on the path. Fallen trees also decay sooner or later.
I only understand maintenance of demanding paths in rock for safety and renewal of markings and signposts on established paths.
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| zokipoki13. 05. 2023 08:06:46 |
Well, here it's basically a short section that ends in a gully, true but the question is how the disaster will reshape the freshly made path in its own way and if I think, it can be even worse afterwards than it was, as you wrote Drago, stones, driven pegs! But it's also right that Janez has joy and I believe he means well, even if the intervention can be too rough! Time will show, and no hard feelings Janez!
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| panda13. 05. 2023 08:11:22 |
Where did the logs come from?
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| bbugari115. 05. 2023 10:21:11 |
So now anyone can mess around in the mountains wherever they want...
Doesn't the Mountain Trails Act exist?
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| milesdavis15. 05. 2023 14:42:25 |
If we assume the slope is stable, then the only problem can be caused by surface water flowing over that slope, and if such a path is not fortified (even if it is to some extent), it can cause erosion. Initially smaller indentations and small ditches can gain larger dimensions over time and with floods.
Otherwise most surely prefer to walk on such a nice path as Janez made it, and invested not only work but also funds into it. Therefore kudos.
Trails must be given time and changes monitored.
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| Janezs15. 05. 2023 22:11:44 |
Guys, go there and look what nature has done there. Then philosophize about what you learned in school, that's theory, look at that terrain practically, then write something, not like that from home. What, rain and downpours are already doing it there. I will make drains on the trail at necessary places so the water drains nicely. How much erosion is already there, the former path went with it too, that's why I decided to make the trail again, which will be safe and pleasant walking on it. I didn't dig and sweat because of the long time. Look at the slope, what's it like after windthrow and after wood skidding, everything will be clear to you, how much wood lies around, even more stands attacked by bark beetle. Regards J.
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| JanG16. 05. 2023 00:18:57 |
You're unbelievable. How did something like that even occur to you...
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| Majdag16. 05. 2023 10:11:31 |
Janezs, kindness is an orphan. Keep the satisfaction for yourself, for those you know are grateful to you. You're doing hard work. And sooner or later all who walk there will agree how nice this path is. And it won't matter who maintains it.
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| bbugari116. 05. 2023 11:29:23 |
Oh, so many empty comments about nature, trail maintenance and erosion...
I'm only talking about the following quote:
"Of course I also plan to draw markings."
And about this unnecessary messing around I can talk from home, from the couch too...
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| lepenatka16. 05. 2023 11:32:49 |
I think it's nice that someone still bothers to maintain hiking trails.
I think PZS hasn't complained about such actions yet, at least I haven't seen it.
Olševa was/is quite devastated after floods, and also with many cable yarding for wood.
I visit it several times myself and rejoice in arranged paths.
I can only praise Janez.
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| dprapr16. 05. 2023 11:49:49 |
The forest owner cannot fell a tree in his own forest without permission. But someone can dig up and use his wood to reinforce the trail without permissions?!
Maybe he needs an arranged path for a better K24 time.
I'm a bit mean, right, Janez. The rain will be to blame.
I don't know what the obstacle is to join PD work and do it organized. If he already did that, he deserves all praise for trail maintenance, although I personally don't agree with such digging and placing logs on the trail.
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| djimuzl16. 05. 2023 12:01:43 |
I know it's not the same case - but still:
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| zavest16. 05. 2023 12:11:01 |
May I ask, how many of you have been to Olševa via the mentioned paths in the last 2-3 years?
The path was really poor or non-existent in certain places due to windthrow and timber hauling, as Janez explained. But I wouldn't equate this at all with arbitrary messing around on pathless terrain, like we saw in the case of Repov Kot, etc. Here there was a path and if it's restored, it's probably sensible to mark it too. Or we can wait forever for the official maintainer.
Yeah, maybe some section was indeed done arbitrarily (don't know, guessing!), without bureaucracy (because otherwise the PD that maintains the path would still be waiting and waiting). Best to slap him with a fine, just like that pensioner who arbitrarily fixed a 30 cm pothole and got almost 900 € fine 
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| bbugari116. 05. 2023 12:38:46 |
"Here there was a path and if it's restored, it's probably sensible to mark it too."
Yeah, probably sensible to mark (with Knafelc marks) all existing more or less maintained paths in the mountains, even along riverbeds, city parks, lowlands, fields...
Ok, for starters I'll go mark some "maintained" stuff in the Martuljek Mountains, maybe over Brinje, why not, the path is clearly visible, just needs nice marking.
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