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| dprapr17. 06. 2024 20:11:40 |
At 4.00 already in Vrata? Still enough time if you leave Maribor then.
But I'm really curious, since I see many early ones here, how they'll cram you into that van at 4 a.m. I don't know why you'd take the bus to Vrata in the morning if you pay 19 euros in Mojstrana, 25 in Vrata.
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| turbo17. 06. 2024 20:21:16 |
Aljažev dom, Staničev dom, Kredarica, Planika, Dolič, Pogačnikov dom. All starting from Vrata. All under PZS umbrella. Regarding traffic calming from PZS side just this little notice on their website:
https://www.pzs.si/novice.php?pid=17136
They should look across the border how the umbrella organization there (say OEAV) makes an effort on similar projects.
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| logar100718. 06. 2024 10:48:10 |
I'd expect active solving of mountaineers' problems by PZS on parking fees they're charging in valleys lately (Jezersko, Vrata). Mountaineers have never been a problem for crowds, since by 7-8 when we're all high in mountains there is no congestion anywhere. Every year I pay PZS membership though I use no benefits, but till now it seemed right to support mountaineering org that way. Next year those few tens of euros from fee will go to parking instead. 
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| korl18. 06. 2024 12:37:16 |
Active solving of parking problems is happening here, not at PZS
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| Trobec18. 06. 2024 13:01:56 |
Judging by that notice it seems PZS still supports attack on its members by insatiable local sheriffs...which I'm not surprised at all. As active mountain guide I can say there was always most harassment and obstacles from PZS. Interestingly never from "competition" (GV guides, tourist guides...). Even at ministry they are much more practical and far less bureaucratized than PZS.
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| mavi1218. 06. 2024 15:38:40 |
@logar1007, I fully agree with everything written... hahah, but what you wrote won't hold: "Mountaineers have never been a problem for crowds, since by 7-8 when we are all already high in the mountains there is no congestion anywhere."
Just last year, when they started preparing the ground for this new toll in Vrata, the following article was published:
https://www.rtvslo.si/zabava-in-slog/ture-avanture/tudi-to-poletje-ljudje-parkirali-vsepovrek-zato-v-vratih-ze-postavljajo-zapornico/681295
where a local gentleman complained: "residents of Triglavska Street can't sleep from 3 or 4 a.m., because speed races are taking place to see who will be first in Vrata" 
So... besides "nature protection", not only late tourists are a thorn in their side, but we all bother the poor wretches... even with morning "speed races" 
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| capraibex18. 06. 2024 16:04:21 |
Now the authorities by force, with price hikes, try to make order, but I hope it will soon backfire with poor visits and loss of traffic in huts. Many would gladly leave some euros, but not at the expense of extortion.
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| klace22. 07. 2024 09:03:57 |
Parking 3 days Vrata 75€, 60€ Blato,... Our mountains will soon become inaccessible for us. Local communities obviously support mass tourism - for quick profit and at the same time destroy local belonging - who cares for mountain paths, especially now when disasters are more frequent...? Locals or foreign guests?
It is right that there is order, that charges are made, nothing is free, but they could really use a bit more sense in such projects...
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| felix22. 07. 2024 11:50:40 |
As klace wrote, who maintains mountain paths? Volunteer markers PZS. And what does PZS do so that something is done for PZS members? Nothing! Best to abolish maintenance of mountain paths, then let local sheriffs arrange paths for their interests themselves.
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| miri22. 07. 2024 12:06:01 |
@felix, according to you, even the sick are not worth treating.
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| mikkeni22. 07. 2024 14:45:26 |
Then is the only option paying 25 EUR for daily parking or parking in Mojstrana and departure with the first bus at 4 a.m.?
What about those who have a full-day tour planned and it's smart to start at the trailhead even before 4:30?
In what way is the payment of the parking fee in Vrata arranged (EasyPark or are parking meters set up around the parking lot?
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| DVas22. 07. 2024 14:47:40 |
Isn't it like at Planina Blato? You get a ticket at the ramp and pay when leaving?
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| asdf22. 07. 2024 15:09:43 |
"How is the parking payment arranged in Vrata (EasyPark or are there parking meters set up around the parking lot?"
Both are there, but the parking meter sometimes doesn't work (and doesn't accept cash), with EasyPark the problem is the signal is very weak there, plus it takes a usurious commission (2.8 EUR for one day).
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| Kafetarca22. 07. 2024 18:14:47 |
So if I understand correctly, you have to pay for parking in Mojstrana at P+R 19 EUR, then the bus to Vrata is free?
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| turbo22. 07. 2024 19:58:19 |
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| babica 523. 07. 2024 09:14:49 |
Aha Turbo, we who already come from Ljubljana by bus, should we pay your parking too?
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| djimuzl23. 07. 2024 09:48:05 |
Don't call the devil, lest someone else thinks of allowing free bus use to Vrata only to those parking for 10 € in Mojstrana
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| turbo23. 07. 2024 11:03:14 |
babica 5,
don't kick in the dark
How can you write "vam", what do I have to do with them 
I just forwarded info to Kafetarca that bus is free, parking not
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| Kafetarca23. 07. 2024 21:14:35 |
I'm thinking maybe it's better to park at Fabrka lot for 5€ a day and walk to Mercator where the Vrata bus stops...
Otherwise really absurd what they do with these crazy prices. It'll only go up anyway, even if hut visits drop - which won't, as long as flip-flop tourists rush Triglav.
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