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To Triglav?

CarpeDiem24723. 09. 2011 13:24:05

Let someone else renovate the mosque if it's so close to their heart (I'm not some Roman Catholic orthodox believer, not at all), but whoever misses it will soon have the chance to visit it in LJ! velik nasmeh

Scabiosa23. 09. 2011 13:26:13

Žan - Italians surely don't expect any applause or maintenance of "their barracks". But they could applaud us if we were smart enough to usefully use this beautiful station that we took over from them practically key in hand for ourselves.

Žan23. 09. 2011 13:41:28

Master Žakelj uses it usefully and that's quite right.
On Tuesday I have sports day and I'll take a close look at the ruins. Who knows, maybe the former barracks will even make me feel sorry for it.

CarpeDiem24723. 09. 2011 14:05:50

Regardless of the course of history, we can be STRONGLY grateful to foreigners for some things, I immediately think e.g. of the road to Mangart Saddle, which excites me every visit. Just think how many tunnels were made. With our productivity and quality (if I just remember Šentviški) such tunnels wouldn't be built even by year 3000, and even if they were, no one would dare go over them lest something happens to the concrete! cool

Žan23. 09. 2011 14:07:13

CapreDiem, you're joking, right?

GregorC23. 09. 2011 14:14:33

CapreDiem is completely right! For many things (road, mule track, tunnels...) we can be grateful to them. Some just can't get out of their skin and would simply demolish and tear down such things because they ideologically disagree with them. Instead of turning them to your advantage and benefiting from them. What can you do, Slovenes are just like that.

Žan23. 09. 2011 14:24:04

Please don't accuse me of calling for demolition and tearing down, because that's simply not true.
Even more wrong is the claim that I should be grateful to someone for the road to Mangart Saddle. To whom? The Italian army? What do I or all of us have from that road and tunnels? Car pollution at 2000 meters!
After they did so much damage during the First World War, should we be grateful to them because in two decades of occupation they built some mule tracks to their caravans? Come on, people, turn on your brains.

mosovnik23. 09. 2011 14:31:19

I just can't believe that such people who "sprinkle" such nonsense go to the mountains too. jezen

Just a little lesson: I myself as an eleven-year-old boy had the chance to see the Morbegna fort when it still had a roof, the building was almost "untouched". Minimal cost would be needed to make it usable. That was a few decades ago, hehe. Search this forum and you'll find a picture of the fort from that time. To everyone who knows the terrain, it's clear that the object stands in the "right" place, only back then the "right" people weren't deciding. We have similar ones today too. And it wouldn't be any "monument to the Italians". We took over the territory and on our land we are the masters ourselves. That's how it should be, but due to various circumstances and the situation at that time in this area, we didn't have the "right masters".
Just one more reminder: We didn't inherit Stanič's hut under its current name either (previously Dezmannhaus), but there were never any problems because foreigners built it.

Yeah, so I join those who can't understand why on ZTP there is no restored fort, whatever it was called.

urbancek23. 09. 2011 14:38:05

@Žan: The biggest pollution in these parts is the "skret" on Kredarica and that's at 2515m.
It would be nice to leave this guy Lojze alone so he can enjoy his idyll... I doubt he harms anyone much... And NICE would be if the debate ends or moves to another topic...

GregorC23. 09. 2011 14:38:48

Come on, let someone delete the last two or three pages of comments that are completely pointless or at least move to another topic. Žan, some of us have our brains on and care more about the future than the past. You see everything too black and white. LP

krasovc23. 09. 2011 14:43:12

Zan. I think that's not a monument to defeat, but proof of how the Italians were afraid they wouldn't be led back to the Piave River in 3 days. I'm attaching a picture where, around Doberdob, they put up signs where they "forgot" the 12th offensive. Italians are just a fearful nation, since they didn't win any war unless help came to them. But from the background, they acted treacherously. That they will never admit. It's even sadder that Italians just buy what they couldn't conquer, and they understood the Slovenes in that. That's why I'd give even more for Morbegno to be fixed, just so they would write up there, bilingually, the only reason, that's fear of Slovenes.. those old ones like my great-grandfather who drove them to the Piave....

pinkerton23. 09. 2011 16:04:30

Mostly nowadays we have a problem with the one-way brain switch to the future and no time left to worry about the past. But that's not right, because for a successful future you need to know the past damn well too, otherwise we'll be forced to relive it someday. That's why humanity keeps repeating past mistakes, but what can you do when we never all understand the warnings the same way.

mirank23. 09. 2011 16:37:43

Krasovc; there was no twelfth battle on the Karst. There they just ran without firing a shot zavijanje z očmi

. Otherwise I think the last train for restoring the former barracks (not fort) was missed a couple years ago and mainly because the building is too high up and also on the wrong side of the hill.

5Xum23. 09. 2011 17:54:07

Incredible, how much information about the current conditions on Triglav you've written in the last two days...

zvončnica23. 09. 2011 18:24:16

Currently we're dealing with the Morbegna fort, the weekend should be nice apparently, at least according to meteo it looks that way velik nasmeh

turbo23. 09. 2011 18:54:04

Zvončica, the weekend will be wonderful nasmeh

The hike will be nice though zavijanje z očmi

5Xum23. 09. 2011 19:05:13

The forecast for the weekend is like today's, when I turned back a few meters below the hole in the rain and terrible visibility.

At Aljažev dom it was cloudy but dry, then conditions worsened meter by meter. Somewhere at the bottom of the scree it started raining from the cloud (I was wet from air humidity already before), so the rocks supported no weight at all, meanwhile a devilishly cold wind was blowing.

The forecast really looks nice, but still I wish everyone a cautious step.