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To Triglav?

jprim23. 09. 2011 20:49:30

It's nothing else but a characteristic of Slovenes - with capital F Faušija - well as far as Morbegna and Lojze are concerned.
LP!

zvončnica23. 09. 2011 23:38:44

Yes, lucky Lojz, that he can be up there 100 days a year, he chose that bulš konc for himself, his mom in that little film is a real babe, a mom who'd like to become a grandma and mind the grandchildren velik nasmeh

, but he's not too thrilled with her idea eek

IgorZlodej24. 09. 2011 05:47:05

Please show some piety, Lojz's mom unfortunately already passed away and it's time to stop dealing with this.

zvončnica24. 09. 2011 06:03:21

My remark about mom wasn't meant badly, I wrote that she (sadly, as you said, I didn't know) was a nice lady. I see nothing bad in that, I didn't criticize her but praised her.

IgorZlodej24. 09. 2011 18:43:29

Triglav is not just that little bit of summit everyone wants to reach, but much more. And it's right to look at it that way, of course those who know the mountain at least approximately and from all sides can look at it. True, I've been up there quite a few times, but I can say I still hardly know Triglav, so I'm surprised by various writings, like that about the Morbegno barracks, when most don't even know how many beds were in it, let alone anything else. Lojze was friendly advised to leave those walls alone and rather focus on the beauty that the western side of Triglav offers in abundance. BZTP really has one of the best views of the Western Julian Alps and Kredarica can easily hide from it. Some of us also know well how many people he has saved from certain death by generously putting them up in his bivouac or as he calls it the highest Slovenian dwelling. It's unnecessary to think and debate about building a bivouac, because it already stands, of course it's not always open. Anyone reasonably knowledgeable knows that you just can't build like that in the TNP area. The Tržaška Koča hasn't existed for a few years either, only Koča na Doliču remains. When the new one is built, it will also have a winter room, like the old one before the avalanche, so a new bivouac is really not needed. In winter you don't go over Plemenice, and the area from Luknja to Dolič is also very exposed due to avalanches, so who is the bivouac for. Those of us who go up there in winter go via Prehodavci where it's safer. I think you need to know things a bit to write about them, Lojz doesn't read the forum and can't defend himself, so it's right to write about conditions after hiking the path, to comment or ask something, but no need to go into the personal level of someone you don't know or know his family, even though he spends half his life up there under Triglav.

velkavrh25. 09. 2011 10:56:41

Let's leave the polemics now and focus on our big daddy. Yesterday I did a full-day tour to Triglav from Vrata to Luknja and over Plamenice to the summit. A tour planned for quite a few years finally happened to me. Before dawn I was at the parking lot in Vrata. It was completely full and there were quite a few of us that early. Then still before dawn on the path. It got light exactly at the junction for Prag and Luknja. Almost to the top of Luknja everything was in fog. On the path over the scree it cleared up. At the top of Luknja poles in the backpack and gloves and helmets on. The gloves served wonderfully because the cables and pegs were cold and a bit wet. There were quite a few of us and we bravely tackled the rocks. It was pure enjoyment. I walked together with some couple from Dolenjska and we got along really well. Magnificent views of the Sphinx and the North Face. Before the junction where the path from Dolič joins this one from Plamenice there are two delicate parts - icy patch that you have to bypass on the right and chimney that we also bypass and climb up to it also on the right. After the junction again quite demanding climbing along cables. In one hour we were then on Triglav. The valley has a sea of fog. Then down to Planika, because less crowded than to Kredarica. From Planika then behind Planika to Kredarica and over Rž to Staničeva Koča. Since dusk was chasing me I descended over Prag to Vrata. Unforgettable tour!

Section of the climbing path to Planika.

Planika from above and the foggy sea behind.

The path over Prag is not exactly innocent.

viharnik25. 09. 2011 11:27:31

Old hut names are disappearing. Like from Rifugio Napoleone Cozzi and Tržaška Koča and finally Koča na Doliču. Planika would also be nicer named if it kept the old name Marije Terezije.
If they build a new Koča na Doliču, then it really makes no sense to build a bivouac, but with little funds and free volunteer shock brigade work they could at least secure part of Morbegna against final collapse and make a roof structure on the part of the building where it's still possible. Regarding TNP regulations and rules in the past I'd rather not talk. So for no one knows how many years that roof from Morbegna that the storm blew away has been collapsing and rusting in the ravine on the SE side of ZTP. After all these years when finally the TNP code is being arranged, which limited the first life and survival of the few who still persisted in these remote parts of the park with harsh natural conditions for survival, development of healthy tourism within allowable environmental impacts, they can't even pass one mountain bike law due to lack of knowledge and insight into neighboring countries. They even equate us with motor crossers etc. The actual damage a bike does either on wide roads or trails is smaller than a hiker's boot footprint. Something else is the frequency of narrow paths where a hiker and cyclist can't safely meet on descent. A rule of wheelbase width of the bike and additionally the same width of allowable path, road, track would be a reasonable and acceptable compromise for higher less frequented alpine paths for MTB cyclists. Other categories of various forest roads on plateaus and lower hills should be fully opened for all self-powered sports. If regulations are more restrictive, let the security guys chase me as they like, if they succeed velik nasmeh

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For the renovation of Morbegna PZS and the office for cultural heritage preservation should have cooperated long ago. Those few spirovs for the roof from nearby Lip Bled wouldn't cost mentionable money, stone blocks are already up there, missing some Jelovica windows and door and the object would be protected and could serve as part of TNP attractions, now to no small number of Triglav visitors from all over Europe.

B225. 09. 2011 11:43:42

Yes Viharnik. And if the "gentlemen" who demolish Morbegno had been taken where they belong in time, at least the walls would still stand today and in case of sudden weather deterioration a hiker could find shelter in it. The huge water cisterns didn't need to be destroyed either, even though "enemies" made them all! Many things could have been right - but someone prefers it to be wrong!

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viharnik25. 09. 2011 11:48:08

I completely agree with B2 mežikanje

zamet25. 09. 2011 11:58:59

Just like velka vrh said to leave the polemics, I was also yesterday on očaku via plemenice to Triglav and descent past Kredarica and via Tominskova to Vrata.
I started much earlier so it started dawning when I was above plemenice, weather really beautiful fog under Luknja and around and around like sea.. I think I won't be able to upload pics because I have internet problems now. zavijanje z očmi

velkavrh25. 09. 2011 12:05:27

I also had Tominškovo in my plan, but I was too late. From Triglavska Bistrica I was already walking towards the hut in Vrata in twilight. The water is so cold that we can hardly drink it.