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To Triglav?

velkavrh14. 09. 2015 11:41:10

Only from Dolič not gone, so can't compare Dolič. Difficulty - ha - everyone has own opinion. Definitely on all approaches need helmet, shoes with good soles and highly recommended harness, mandatory for first-timers and less experienced. Need to choose day with dry rocks. For more experienced harness maybe on dry rock and nice weather really not needed. Personally I always have it buckled on protected paths with cables and assess if clipping needed. Difficulty - on all paths lots of cables. Roughly by difficulty rank - no.1 To Plemenice due to exposure; no.2 Triglavska škrbina due to scree - exposure here none, cold in morning; no.3 from Kredarica - most cables, polished rocks, usually heavy crowd, protection excellent; easiest access direct from Planika, less crowd, on descent need to watch due to scree in lower part of path.

carniolus14. 09. 2015 12:27:23

Really interesting path, especially avoids crowd. Thanks again.

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jprim14. 09. 2015 12:45:48

Just comparing paths from huts under Triglav summit.
Plemenice really toughest, then Tominškova if meaning starts in Vrata.
Regards! nasmeh

VanSims14. 09. 2015 13:18:54

Tominškova is not overly technically demanding. The hardest part on the path over Prag (Medvedova skala) is harder than anything on Tominškova.

But Tominškova in the lower part is very strenuous condition-wise unlike the path over Prag, which pleasantly winds in switchbacks, it goes straight up the slope, in the upper part on protections it is psychologically harder (exposure).

@velkavrh: if under 2 you mean Gorjanska pot from Planika it is quite exposed and in the lower part still unsecured (I). Scree mainly on the approach from the hut and after the end of the ferrata part before škrbina.

Whoever is technically somewhat skilled and experienced, I warmly recommend it as at least to škrbina in my opinion the path with the least jam, even less than Plemenice.

PFranci14. 09. 2015 16:51:08

On Saturday through Luknja over Plemenice and along Kugijeva polica to Kredarica. Path without special features, polica still snowy but nicely passable.

At Kredarica we joined the others who came from Krma and for a special reason we went to the top. Here we experienced Triglav in its summer form, as the crowd had no end.

The next morning the fog racing over the ridges gave the sun its real charm. We two then descended the endless screes behind Cmir, the others back to Krma.

Followed analysis of two nice days in good company in Gorje. velik nasmeh

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lino14. 09. 2015 18:34:14

PFranci, your photos and comments are always pleasant. This time pic no. 3 caught my eye the most. You captured a split second when there is no time for posing before the lens. The mountaineer(-ess) concentration is focused on the secure grip of the protection peg. Really authentic shot - live.

viharnik14. 09. 2015 18:48:07

Yes, great, Franci always conjures up something for us nasmeh

mukica14. 09. 2015 19:52:55

Nice... I assume Janez has lots of visitors these days... some of us will miss him up there, in winter when there was no crowd it was nice chatting with him nasmeh

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velkavrh14. 09. 2015 20:39:59

VanSims, of course I meant Gorjanska pot to Triglav from Planika. I also photographed this path and it is shown from pic 11 to 16 and everyone can form their own opinion on difficulty. It is demanding, right. I did this path for the first time with PD Škofja Loka. There was also a 13-year-old boy - properly secured - visible on pics and among others a 77-year-old lady. We did the path without special problems. We had dry rock. But in the škrbina it is quite cold.

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IgorZlodej15. 09. 2015 07:36:45

The Gorjanska pot is, regarding length and ending at Bovška škrbina, one of the easier paths to Triglav. Problematic are only the snowfields in the lower part at the start of summer.

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velkavrh15. 09. 2015 11:02:05

Currently a bigger problem somewhere mid-path in the notch, because between the cables the part of the path was washed away and even covered the pegs in between - here you need extreme caution across from one cable to the other. Too bad I didn't film right there.

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redbull15. 09. 2015 12:11:40

Franci, you are the law

Good luck

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ločanka15. 09. 2015 16:00:48

Dragon, the peak on picture 6 has 2092 m according to maps, and it is listed there as an unnamed peak. In route descriptions, Cesar is that other adjacent peak, though that one really has no imperial appearance at all, but it is a bit harder to access than this one mentioned by Velkavrh. When reading posts on "gore in ljudje", Janez Pikon calls exactly this peak shown on picture 6 Cesar. I too am in a dilemma about the proper naming of both peaks. But it is a super trip to visit all these peaks above Konjsko sedlo, pathless on one side, on the other side near the most crowded marked path.

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dragon15. 09. 2015 22:11:57

Thanks, ločanka, for the explanation. These smaller peaks are really interesting too, they take very little time and you can visit them on the way when going or returning from some more celebrated mountain. But it is good to inquire beforehand where you will hike, otherwise all these peaks can pass by you without you even noticing them.

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velkavrh16. 09. 2015 07:59:36

This dilemma around the peaks west of Vernar didn't give me peace. I took the special map in hand—I have a bunch of JA maps, which I sadly look at rarely. Actually, we have there four named peaks: Cesar-2098, Oklo-2092, Činkelman-2142—the highest, and Kurico-2028. We also have an unnamed peak—elevation 2061—full of scrub. There is a wreath of a few smaller summits around the small valley with a drying pond above planina Zgornja Krmo, as Janez Pikon vividly describes, who knows these mountains well. Also, that nasty crowded passage towards Planika above Zgornja Krmo to Konjsko sedlo is called Pot čez Kurico. How to recognize and properly name these peaks is another story. Views of these peaks from the path from Vodnikov dom to Konjsko sedlo or from Konjsko sedlo are completely different, as if they were not the same peaks. Exactly under Cesar are those steps on the path to Konjsko sedlo. The toothed summit east of Cesar is Oklo. The first behind Vernar is Činkelman. I'll send a couple more pics.

This is how Cesar is seen, at least according to Mr. Pikon, soon when we go from Vodnikov dom towards Konjsko sedlo.

These are those steps under Cesar which Mr. Pikon also mentions.

This is how Cesar is seen from Konjsko sedlo - right peak - next to it is Vernar, that peak next to the central one which is smaller is Činkelman - left peak.

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velkavrh16. 09. 2015 19:36:51

Primoža, the highest peak is Činkelman. On picture no. 3 next to Vernar on the right—Vernar is of course higher.

dragon16. 09. 2015 20:19:26

I just got a more detailed 1:25000 map today and there are really quite a few peaks around there.

so: Cesar, Oklo, and then right of the notch Činkelman and Vernar?

this is probably Kurica, described under list of mountains as Cesar

Does anyone know the name of that hill under Planika hut, where the path to Konjsko sedlo turns left?

But this one, right below the Planika hut, taken from Konjsko sedlo?

velkavrh16. 09. 2015 20:44:21

dragon, I think you've wonderfully shown with picture no. 1 the peaks from right to left they follow: pre-summit of Vernar, Vernar itself as the highest, that little peak is Činkelman, that little tooth is Oklo and then follows like some kind of table Cesar. According to the map I conclude that's how it is.