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| domoljub12. 09. 2009 04:01:27 |
Thanks everyone for the advice. Our trio will undoubtedly think about it, but it would really be good to do something shorter and exposed first. Besides Turnc, (that's basically Pogačnikova path from Vikrč isn't it), is there something similar elsewhere.
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| MetaU12. 09. 2009 06:01:38 |
Maybe Gradiška Tura in Vipava?? Also an attractive path, although harder than the path to Triglav, I think technically, otherwise super. Very well secured and "well" exposed... And not too long. Depends also where you are from. lp
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| domoljub12. 09. 2009 07:38:37 |
MetaU, thanks for the suggestion. Oh otherwise we are from Trbovlje but no problem for us to come anywhere in Slovenia (small but beautiful and diverse country).
Best regards.
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| velesa12. 09. 2009 07:39:43 |
Hi, domoljub!
Ascent to Nanos via the steep path is a good first test to "test" yourself regarding height and get acquainted with wire ropes. The ascent takes a good hour, or less if you are in good shape. Only then try Gradiška, which is rated as very demanding. Good luck!
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| gabi12. 09. 2009 17:28:38 |
Maybe these two routes would also be good for "testing": through Žrelo to Storžič (starting point at Dom pod Storžičem) or Veliki vrh (Košuta) from Hajneževo sedlo (starting point pl. Korošica). In the Kamnik area perhaps also a shorter route from Presedljaj to Konj (starting point by Kamniška Bila).
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| anemona12. 09. 2009 22:08:19 |
You've already nicely answered Domoljub, to his colleague and me I give advice and say that fear of heights can definitely be overcome with thoughtfully chosen, progressive hikes. Own experience. Three years ago I was squatting on top of Viševnik holding onto my husband's trouser leg because I didn't dare straighten up. This year I enjoyed hikes to Storžič, Jezersko Kočno via Grintovec, Razor, Špik, Jalovec, in between Triglav for the second time. If a person wants high mountains but is afraid, there's no other way than persistently going on hikes. If possible, almost every weekend something more demanding, in between also some "drill" hike just for fitness. Besides getting used to height, ledges and rock, you also gain other valuable experiences and (cautious) relaxation. Good luck!
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| petruša13. 09. 2009 15:50:33 |
The kids and I were also always afraid of heights, but we were drawn to the mountains. First we went to Peca, Raduha, Olševa, Kamniško sedlo. This year we also went to the Alps, there we conquered Mangart, Prestreljenik and also Triglav. I tell you, the kids were not afraid of heights or precipices anymore. They were really tied in (9 and 10 years old), but they went very bravely to Triglav. If you have fear, you need to go on easier hikes then increasingly difficult ones and you overcome that fear too. Good luck in the mountains!!
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| domoljub14. 09. 2009 11:58:04 |
On behalf of the other two colleagues, I thank everyone who suggested climbing routes for gradual introduction and gave advice. We will probably start with something like Šmarna Gora (Pogačnikova pot) and so on. Triglav will surely wait until next year, there are already many of them and there will be us too.
Good luck!
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| heinz14. 09. 2009 18:30:12 |
Domoljub, very smart decision!
But never take into account comments where some so-called hikers boast about how they took or exposed their children to high mountains! That is their foolishness and irresponsibility.!
No need to think that if some Styrians took their little offspring "without problems" e.g. to Triglav, it is now just "a piece of cake" etc.. It is,.. for them, but until..! until our GRS has to rescue them, and even after that similar..BOASTERS will be found again..
IN HILLS AND MOUNTAINS, YOU SHOULD BE MOST AFRAID OF THOSE WHO PLAY HEROES BECAUSE THEY WERE 1X IN HIGH MOUNTAINS - AND THEREFORE THINK THEY CAN GIVE ADVICE AGAINST ALL ODDS!
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| andrejjerina14. 09. 2009 19:45:47 |
Don't be so harsh "heinz". I myself go quite a lot with kids on paths in high mountains and therefore I think that I or other parents who do the most for the safety of ourselves and our children do not boast at all. Be a bit patient with those who think differently. Especially do not put everyone in the same basket, no one has the right! Best regards Andrej
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| katjuša214. 09. 2009 19:50:56 |
Somehow just like andrejjerina wrote, we think too
Many parents do a lot for the safety of themselves and their children in the mountains, so heinz with all respect, but do not throw us all into the same basket.
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| ogo14. 09. 2009 20:29:31 |
I also often take my son to high mountains. Of course, you need to take care of safety.
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| Fifi14. 09. 2009 21:57:33 |
Judging by the picture, it looks a bit suspiciously tied
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| Fifi14. 09. 2009 22:06:06 |
here ogo, here's something for you how to properly tie into a climbing harness
http://www.lezem.com/triks/vozli/osmica/osmica.html
sorry if I saw it wrong but prevention is prevention. otherwise nice that you take care of the child's safety. some don't even do that. best regards
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| krasovc15. 09. 2009 00:05:04 |
No, I too learned slowly with small hikes to overcome fear, kids don't get scared, sometimes they are too dangerous just because of that. Anyway, I'm slowly teaching the little one to love the mountains. And I watch over his safety, logically. He really is good, although he's only 5.
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| katjuša215. 09. 2009 07:35:12 |
So I see we really do tie them, we found instructions in books.
krasovc, on Kokos you didn't tie him up I suppose.
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| petruša16. 09. 2009 08:08:50 |
I think this heinz doesn't know what he's saying. I don't know where it says that we shouldn't take our children to our beautiful mountains. I think every parent loves their child and will therefore properly secure him on each mountain, because our children are our greatest treasure. Why shouldn't our children get to know our beautiful mountains from a young age and learn from young how to behave and secure in the mountains. I think if we teach them young, when they are older they won't make mistakes and won't need GRS to rescue them. Because I think older ones make bigger mistakes than younger ones.
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| heinz16. 09. 2009 09:20:10 |
You can rest easy regarding my behavior on what I say or write.
Maybe you have that problem, because if you reread my posts, you can convince yourself that it was only about the much-needed securing of children or parental responsibility, nowhere did I mention that parents shouldn't take children "to our beautiful mountains" at all..
What you wrote is self-evident, or no one considers it controversial.
This verbal trick is called tautology, or X=X. You say something that wasn't the topic, and choose content that no one disputes..
I could mention again the topic of behavior with children or setting an example like "how my children climbed something without protection, and how they lost fear of heights" etc., because if nothing else, those who are just gaining experience and read such posts usually think: why wouldn't it work for me if even a child succeeds..
But I won't go into that. At least not on this thread, as I see it's not understood.
For me, the matter is closed here.
Best regards and all the best!
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| pohodnica5316. 09. 2009 09:34:30 |
Since everyone can say their own, this time, although I regularly read the forum and usually avoid "hot" topics, I'll still write something - I fully support Heinz - I don't criticize parents, nor should I, but I REALLY personally don't understand them taking small children on dangerous paths - despite protection - and actually exposing them to accidents; you can't clip everywhere and a slight slip, short exposed step, small ledge can be fatal; this year I met a little one that parents "dragged" from Triglav summit exhausted and scared to Kredarica - I couldn't believe my eyes: also on Grintovec years ago, the sons upon return from summit with dad threw themselves crying into mom's arms waiting at the hut; so they didn't really enjoy, and regardless even if they do, I love them too much to expose them to accidents, everything in its time; and there are so many beautiful safe paths, even high alpine ones, where they can enjoy just as well; fixed ropes, pegs, ledges...... and other high alpine adrenaline pleasures come with years, no hard feelings and nice sunny weekend to all "forumers";
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| krasovc16. 09. 2009 19:24:34 |
No, my little one wanted that, he was climbing all over me, so after talking, I bought him everything. It's true that he has a tremendous will to climb, and I have to keep telling him the whole way "Dean, slowly, Dean slowly". Otherwise I choose tours with him of maximum 5 hours. (Last time we were around Kras, to Kokos, 5 hours walk, then I had to bike another 1.5 hours because he wasn't tired yet ).
Well, what I mean is that I enjoy it tremendously because the boy has joy, and it's pleasure for both, I think. I want to emphasize that because I wouldn't want to drag him up against his will.
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