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| mukica25. 07. 2024 11:24:23 |
The system shows occupancy and it rarely happens that 100% of them all come. Some reserve multiple dates and then cancel 3 days before the date so that TR doesn't deduct a certain amount, for some those 15€ don't mean much or they miss the cancellation. But last year it happened that everything was reserved, then more than 30% of beds were free, but they turned hikers away all afternoon with full occupancy
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| n3jc25. 07. 2024 11:35:54 |
If you know you're going up, call from the valley and reserve, why gamble??
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| mirank25. 07. 2024 11:42:08 |
If it's like Seliškar wrote then huts lost their purpose. I haven't slept in our huts for a long time, but I'll describe an event from years ago at K podih. The warden around 21.30 strummed the guitar and sang a few songs with us, then came the command: Those who have rooms sleep, men, tables and chairs out of the dining room. We put thin mats on the floor and everyone somehow slept there until 5am, when we had to clean up and put tables back in place. Breakfast and out, to make space for those from rooms after 6h . It wasn't comfy but no one complained and I believe it stayed in many's memory. Reserving sleep is understandable, but they shouldn't deny you a roof over your head even if you're a drop-in. But to pay for accommodation in advance regardless of weather if it turns bad and we'll also pay the cancellation risk-NO THANKS!
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| DVas25. 07. 2024 11:47:22 |
Last year at K. podih when I was there they didn't refuse anyone. Record occupancy, capacity with winter room ~80. But well over 130 people slept that night. I experienced an interesting situation with Vodnikov dom, I call if I can come sleep and the warden says no, all full. Ok... I go to the web and see lots free in reservations, I reserve, arrive and sleep. No problem.
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| Trobec25. 07. 2024 12:08:01 |
Sometimes the worst possible violation of all PZS rules was when the hut warden told a hiker arriving at the hut "you can't stay overnight, we're full".
PZS doesn't care about rule violations for a long time now. Well, then corona came... and if you didn't have some f***** paper, it was better for "your health/safety" to sleep under the open sky in cold or rain, or crash on a night descent. I don't remember anyone from PZS trying to oppose those regime nonsenses.
Well, corona is gone, but the counter stayed. I can praise Kriške podrtine myself, there it's uncomplicated and they don't give you dirty looks. While on some other huts they grumble over "stinky hikers", chasing them away to prefer more "dainty" guests
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| Janez Seliškar25. 07. 2024 13:02:19 |
"mirank", obviously you're also one of those to whom the word ORDER is foreign.
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| DVas25. 07. 2024 13:14:15 |
We can end this debate with the article from the Regulations on mountain huts:
Article 23
(equality of visitors)
Mountain huts provide their services to all visitors, regardless of membership in a mountaineering organization.
The staff is obliged to shelter every visitor, even if there are no free beds available, and
enable emergency overnight stay.
Hut staff must open the doors to visitors even at night, except in cases where they determine that
the visitor is abusing it.
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| Daaam25. 07. 2024 13:18:42 |
Janez, RED can also be something else than just emptying your wallet as much as possible.. If for you RED has finally arrived now, then everything has gone to hell. While we're on reservations. Last year a buddy in front of me at Kamniško sedlo asked if he really has to reserve accommodation in advance because with kids you never know if they'll actually go up or not, and the host replied from the kitchen door "of course, or do you also go to a hotel unannounced" (wtf? I've traveled half the world and often looked for a place in the evening) and then mumbled something like they're not the red cross. Just one more thing - I'm proud of the email I sent to PD Kamnik association a couple days later - If any reader of this forum read it as part of duty, I thank from the heart for the reply I never got.. Not even the phrase "thanks for your opinion, it means a lot to us"  This is our huts now that there's RED
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| korl25. 07. 2024 13:23:31 |
If you go up there bugging herman with that article 23, he'll quickly tell you whose laws apply in his place haha
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| DVas25. 07. 2024 13:26:54 |
I don't even know who that is, nor do I care
If he can't follow the regulations, he has no business in the hut.
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| mirank25. 07. 2024 13:27:23 |
It's not clear what order is for you, I know for myself and I adhere to it maximally. How it works or should, DVas answered you.... Anyway, I won't engage in this debate anymore.
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| Janez Seliškar25. 07. 2024 13:46:47 |
The fewer of you "drop-ins", the more space for those who call the hut or reserve online.
PS: I've been waiting since 10.06. for a possible free spot in one of the huts (if someone cancels).
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| Daaam25. 07. 2024 13:55:43 |
Janez, a few years ago on the way from Vogel to Kobarid while already hiking the tour I called Komna, pod Bogatin and to Krn lakes where I could sleep and everywhere they turned me away saying full. Well after the third call the lady from pod Bogatin finally took pity and said stop by us, we'll fit you somewhere. Well in the end I waited with backpack at the table until 8-9pm whether on bench or table when the lady came with good news. That not everyone with reservations showed up and she'll give me one of the reserved beds. With this post I also exclude myself from this debate. Best to all #noworderisimportant
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| Janez Seliškar25. 07. 2024 14:32:21 |
Pity that lady took you in. You'd know how to act next time. Calling huts during the tour where there are free beds is irresponsible or negligent.
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| DVas25. 07. 2024 14:53:16 |
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| dprapr25. 07. 2024 14:58:01 |
Since I haven’t slept in our huts for at least 20 years, I’m surprised that they have essentially become lowest-quality hotels. At least that’s how I understand it from this debate. What logic is there that someone reserves multiple dates in the mountains, maybe even in the same hut, the mountaineer who comes “unreserved”, would stay outside. Better to close everything and clean up our mountains.
I might understand reserving some beds, but by no means all of them. Aren’t huts and bivouacs some kind of shelters?
The purpose of the huts and Aljaž’s purpose has been completely screwed up.
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| Janez Seliškar25. 07. 2024 15:00:17 |
"DVas", as everyone is obliged to reserve accommodation in advance, not to harass the staff in the middle of the night.
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| Trobec25. 07. 2024 15:11:10 |
Janez, from this comment it somehow seems that doing the Transversal in one piece (or some other longer multi-day route) is "irresponsible or negligent"?
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| Janez Seliškar25. 07. 2024 15:18:37 |
"Trobec", how on earth did you connect some connecting path with reserving accommodation.
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| J.P.25. 07. 2024 16:21:35 |
Reservations in huts are one of the modern stupidities.
- Reservations start a month or two or more before the trip. Most lose the will by then, change plans, change their mind etc. and few call to cancel. In that time the other majority doesn’t get reservations because everything is "booked". But when you arrive at the hut in the afternoon you’re rejected because they "expect" those with reservations..If everyone wants reservations so much then the matter needs to be arranged, set capacity with and without reservations since nowadays no mountaineer gets a bed outside reservations, whether morning, afternoon or evening. Huts were never meant for this. They are not hotels and real mountaineers know that.
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